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Aug. 15, 2023

The Turpin Family: The Dark Tale of the Worst Child Abuse Case in Modern American History

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In this episode of the Compendium: An Assembly of Fascinating and Intriguing Things, we dive deep into one of the darkest chapters of modern child abuse history – the horrifying case of the Turpin family. Taking you through the chilling narrative, we unravel the unimaginable living conditions and heartbreaking realities the thirteen Turpin children endured behind the closed doors of their seemingly normal suburban home.

For years, the Turpin family managed to hide a horrifying secret from their community in Perris, California. In this in-depth analysis, we shed light on the shocking discovery that sent ripples through media outlets worldwide. From the initial 911 call that revealed the shocking truth, to the subsequent arrest and trial of David and Louise Turpin, we explore the complex factors that allowed such an atrocious crime to go unnoticed for so long.

We examine the psychological aspects behind this case, exploring how the parents were able to manipulate and control their children in such extreme conditions. We also delve into the systemic failures that allowed this prolonged abuse to continue undetected. This episode aims not just to recount this disturbing story, but also to promote awareness about child abuse and underscore the importance of vigilance within our communities.

Through riveting interviews, expert insights, and detailed analysis, we present you the Turpin Family's saga in a way you've never experienced before. We caution our listeners that this episode includes graphic and potentially disturbing content, underscoring the grim realities of severe child abuse.

We give you the Compendium, but if you want more then check out these great resources:

  1. Dianne Sawyer interview with the Turpin girls: - An emotional firsthand account from the survivors themselves, providing unprecedented insight into the case.
  2. The Family Next Door by John Glatt - A detailed account of the Turpin case, filled with in-depth interviews and chilling details.
  3. The National Child Traumatic Stress Network (www.nctsn.org) - An organization dedicated to raising the standard of care while increasing access to services for traumatized children and their families.
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02:13 - Welcome to The Compendium

03:05 - All the latest things

11:44 - Topic of the week

01:26:14 - Outro

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Eventually their property is repossessed.

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This news only comes to light when the neighbors wake up one morning and notice that the Turpins packed up and left in the middle of the night.

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By the time that anyone managed to gain access, the dogs were near starving and had been living off piles of dirty nappies that had just been left to pile up.

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No.

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The carpeting in the house had been completely removed and in its place ply boards had been put down, which were all completely covered in stains.

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Like poo and urine, and vomit all sorts of disgusting stains.

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I can't believe this.

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Like there's 10 children right now, how do you even live like that?

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It's gross.

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Welcome to the compendium.

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A collection of digital lifelines and pop culture saviors a story of how a chart topping Justin Bieber song can empower a girl to escape a lifelong cycle of abuse.

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Justin Bieber can do that.

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Yeah, he's a powerful man.

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I'm definitely intrigued.

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What song is it?

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The song is Baby.

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I was hoping you would say something

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else.

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no.

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That's the song I think that's so sweet in itself, just to know that.

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Okay, for those of you tuning in for the very first time, I am your host, Kyle Risi.

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I'm the guy who considers shower karaoke, a valid form of escape.

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And I'm your co-host Adam Cox.

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And I'm the one that finds that ironic cuz when I hear your shower karaoke, I want to escape

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Where you gonna escape out?

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So you got nowhere to go.

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Let me a hell.

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I'm like clawing out the window

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like a dog.

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Oh no.

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So Adam, what have you been up to this week?

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Have you been, planning your own daring heist after a thrilling episode on the Great Train robbery?

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Or have you been obsessively counting all your pennies in your piggy bank?

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Do you know what?

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I don't think I have what it takes to pull off a train

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robbery.

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You've got the charm, you've got the swag.

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It's the going on.

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Well, it's going on the run.

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That's the bit I think it will all go to pop.

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You don't

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think that you can make yourself disappear

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as such?

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Well, if I'm anything like, The guy Biggs from last week's episode, then he did a lot to try and escape, but I don't think I can cut it.

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You're, uh, selling yourself short there.

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Okay.

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I think you've got it.

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All right.

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So, have you got any news for us this week?

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yep,

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I do.

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did you hear about the man who downed 62 hot dogs in 10 minutes to defend his, well, his like, 4th of July contest belt.

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Oh, like a hotdog eating contest?

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That's right.

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He, this means he would have to have eaten a hotdog every 10 seconds for about 10 minutes.

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Right.

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And how many was it?

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he ate 62, he ate 13 more or something like that than his, closest competitor.

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Wow, I know something little wood about hot eating contests.

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Okay.

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So up until, I don't know when, and I dunno where this information's coming from, it's just in my brain somewhere, but the record for breaking the number of hot dogs that someone can eat was absolutely smashed not that long ago.

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And when I say smashed, I mean by like maybe triple the amount that an ordinary person could eat.

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And it all comes down to one thing.

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What's that?

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And that's technique.

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Well, Oh, you got something for me.

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You know something

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about the technique.

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Well, I was gonna talk about the training that one goes into, but you tell me about the technique first.

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Well, I think it was, I think it was like a Chinese guy.

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Okay.

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Or a Japanese guy who discovered there are no rules around how you can eat the hotdog.

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So what he would do is he would, I believe take the meat out, swallow the meat hole and then what he would do is he would dip it into the water, and then shove it into his mouth.

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Oh, okay.

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And then he could eat a hell of a lot more hot dogs way quicker, because it's not dry.

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Right.

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Because you're wetting, you've compacted them a little bit.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But then, I dunno, have you got enough time to do that?

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Because you've got a, you know, you've gotta be eating a hotdog every 10 seconds.

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But that's the thing.

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Dipping it into the water means that he can swallow the bread way quicker.

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Oh, okay.

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Whereas the sausages, I believe, just slide down his throat.

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Whereas if you're just eating hotdog normally without any water, you're chewing.

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Mm-hmm.

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And you're trying to get it wet.

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That's what your mouth is spending most of its time doing.

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Trying to get moisture.

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Yeah.

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Get the moisture in, I guess, to be

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able to swallow.

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Well, this is not what Joey Chestnut does.

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I mean, I quite like that technique, but, so he's been doing this for a while now, and what he does, he has like a special jaw in mouth exercise that he does sounds

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like your mom.

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let's cut that out.

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so, what I found interesting, cause if you look at the guy, he's not a big fat guy or anything like this.

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He looks like a normal weight.

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And apparently he starts training about six months prior to the event and he like every week, eats like a couple of hot dogs.

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Then he adds another one.

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Mm-hmm.

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Then he adds another one and he has to do it.

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So Is that stretching his stomach?

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Yeah.

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and practicing.

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And what he does, he immerses himself.

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Like he almost, does it as if it's for real where he has like lights and sounds flashing at him so he can be prepared for the actual day of like things

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distracting him.

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Oh, the adrenaline and the being in the moment and stuff.

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Yeah,

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exactly that.

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And then, yeah, he basically trains himself and he has to be careful not to put on too much weight.

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He'll then go back to having a normal diet for a couple of days, then he'll do it again.

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So there's quite a lot more that goes into this than I first realized.

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Mm-hmm.

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Because I didn't think it was a sport, but now I feel like it is Kyle.

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This stuff is really competitive.

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I think we could do it with a bit of training.

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Okay.

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Next Barbecue.

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10 seconds.

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A hotdog.

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Great story.

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Well, I've got a couple things today.

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First of all, I'd like to start off by saying, do you remember a couple weeks ago we were talking about how Gen Z would never really experienced that feeling of finding money on the floor?

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Because we now live in a cashless society.

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Oh, here we go.

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Is this because you picked up

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10 pounds?

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I found 10 quid on the floor.

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Congratulations.

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I mean, I 10 pounds pretty good.

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Usually it's like a five but 10 pounds.

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That's not bad.

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And the thing is it was freshly landed on the floor.

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In fact, when I was walking down, I did see a guy running for the bus.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I, and when, then I found the tenor, I thought a part of me, I did turn around and go, oh, did anyone lose this tenor?

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And then I thought maybe it was the guy that was running for the bus.

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Maybe it was his, you took his bus money maybe.

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The thing is that he was already on the bus.

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Yeah.

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And so it might not have been his, but it felt like it just, it was five 30 in the afternoon.

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It was a very busy street.

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And there it was laying on the floor, so it couldn't have been long before someone had dropped it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Because someone else would've picked it up.

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And what day was this?

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I think it, when was this?

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Was this

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Wednesday.

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Wednesday.

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So if anyone in Norwich around about five 30, lost a 10 pound note.

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You now know where it's gone.

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Ah, but the thing is though, right?

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I can't

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find the 10 pound now.

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Oh, so now

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you've lost it?

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I think I've lost it.

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I've looked everywhere.

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That's called karma.

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I think.

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So when we were going to Tesco's earlier, I was like scurrying around trying to find it.

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I just can't find it.

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It's not my jeans pocket.

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It's not my bag.

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It's not my wallet.

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That's the universe calling.

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Do you think?

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Yeah.

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Do you think it's flattered off?

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It's taking the 10 pounds back and passed on to someone that deserves

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it?

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Well, hey, it gave it to me initially, so I think I deserve it to begin with.

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So screw you.

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The other story I have for us this week is, right, this is gonna blow your mind, chip shop vinegar is a lie.

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As in it's not vinegar.

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It's not vinegar.

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What is it?

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So basically it's called non brewed condiments.

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It's a cocktail of water, ethnol acid, and some colorings and flavorings.

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And the crazy thing is this isn't a new thing.

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This goes back to like the Temperance Movement, which is like the equivalent of the UK's version of prohibition where they're trying to ban alcohol.

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Right.

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And it's been just a staple in chip shops across the uk.

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Hang on.

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So that the brown vinegar, which I thought was just like malt vinegar or something like that.

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yes.

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It's not

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actually vinegar, it's not malt vinegar.

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And the thing is though, it's illegal for chip shops to store this inside malt vinegar bottles.

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But chip shop owners, they don't give a crap.

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They just go ahead and they just pour it in there as the only thing they need to remember is to make sure that they undiluted, is that the word?

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No, they need to, it needs be diluted.

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Okay.

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So it's concentrate.

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It is because if you don't, then you could get some serious burdens in your mouth.

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But, The thing is though even though it's illegal, the, food health and safety agency people, they don't give a crap.

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It's because they go after things that are really gonna hurt people.

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But cuz every chip shop does this pretty much, they don't care.

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so they can't stock vinegar, actual vinegar?

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No, they can, but the non brewed condiments is halal so it's completely alcohol free, but also it's gluten free as well, which mo vinegar certainly is not.

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Oh, okay.

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So it's just more convenient for them and it has been really convenient for them for all these years.

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And it's cheaper.

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So they probably will stock malt vinegar at some point, but they just end up just reusing the bottles.

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Or they, sometimes they have just those clear stand bottles, but it's not vinegar that's in there.

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That's weird.

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So next time I'm in the chip shop, I'm gonna go and they ask, Roger, you want salt vinegar on your chips?

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I'm gonna go, is that vinegar or is that

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non rude condiment?

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Exactly.

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And they'll be like, get out.

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So now legally, like I said, it can't be termed vinegar, but what is mental is that the regulators, they don't give a shit.

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The chip shop owners, they don't give a shit.

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And also most people who know this fact also don't give a shit.

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So no one gives a shit.

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I.

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should I give a shit?

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You should, because if this is what they're lying about, what else are they lying about?

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Mm.

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I

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dunno, I'd be too busy tucking into the chips to really care.

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I think by that point,

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I mean, it does taste fine, but it.

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It's just that it blows my mind that it's a lie.

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Wow.

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I didn't realize you'd be this worked up over some non condiment.

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If you cared, you would be too.

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Mm You're listening to the Compendium and Assembly of fascinating and intriguing things.

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We are a weekly podcast where I, Kyle Risi, attempt to impart some wisdom onto Adam about a topic I think he'll both find fascinating and intriguing.

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What have you got for us today?

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This episode is actually a listener suggestion.

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Oh, really?

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A young lady called Lois Firth, reached out and I just found it so compelling.

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I thought we'd definitely have to do it.

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Wow.

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I love that we're getting listener suggestions now.

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So in this week's episode of the Compendium, I'm gonna be telling you about the infamous Turpen family.

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Now this is a story that shocked the USA when first broke in January of 2018, a married couple, David and Luis Turpen from Paris, California were arrested when their 17 year old daughter.

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Had snuck out of the home in the early hours of the morning and bravely dialed 9 1 1.

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Following this call, officers were dispatched to a quiet suburban street where Jordan was anxiously waiting.

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After meeting with officers, police made their way to the turban home to carry out a welfare check.

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What they discovered was a scene so depraved and appalling that both David and Luis Turpen were sentenced to 25 years in prison.

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Today on the Compendium, I'm gonna be telling you about the story of what drove a 17 year old Jordan Turpen to bravely make that nine one one call and how she was inspired by teen heartthrob Justin Bieber.

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And how the scale of abuse, Jordan and her 12 siblings suffered at the hands of their parents for almost 30 years.

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12 siblings.

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Yeah.

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They were busy man.

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Wow.

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So let's first start by listening to that 9 1 1 call, shall we?

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Okay.

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This is 9 1 1.

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Do you have an emergency?

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Um, I just ran away from home.

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Do you know what street you're on?

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Um, no.

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Uh, I just wanna leave from home because I was in a family of 15.

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Okay.

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Can you hear me?

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And we have abusing parents.

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Did you hear that?

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Okay.

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How did they abuse you?

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Okay.

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They hit us.

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They told us called, they throws cross.

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They like throw us across the room.

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They pull our hair.

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They, they yank our hair.

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I have two, my two little sisters right now are chained up.

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Okay.

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How old are you?

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I'm 17.

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What's your name?

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Jordan Turkin.

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Okay.

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I'm gonna connect you to the Sheriff's Department so that they can help you.

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One moment.

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Don't hang up.

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I won't.

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Wow I did not expect that.

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Adam, this is one of the most serious abuse cases in modern American history.

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How does someone hide that because they've got hair missing?

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Do they not have to go to school and.

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Well, that's what makes this a compelling story

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or are they allowed out the house?

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Well, that's what makes this a compelling story.

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Okay.

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Should we get on with it?

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You should get on with it, right?

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Let's dig into our story by first meeting our key characters, david and Louise Turpen.

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So Louise and Robinett, from a small town called Princeton in Virginia Growing up.

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Louise was the eldest amongst her siblings, two younger sisters named Teresa and Elizabeth and a half brother called Billy.

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Now Louise's parents were pretty serious about their Pentecostal Christian beliefs as a kid.

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Louise was a bit on the shy side, but she was super caring towards her younger siblings.

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With her being the oldest, she became their protector in a way.

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Now religion was a massive part of their upbringing.

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They attended the local Pentecostal church known as the Princeton Church of God, where fun fact, her dad was also a preacher.

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So this is a picture of Louis do, just so you get a sense of what she looks like.

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She looks like a, I dunno, maybe a 30 to 40 year old woman.

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a bob haircut.

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Mm-hmm.

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Looks normal.

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Slightly weird smile, but apart from that, yeah, normal.

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So that's Louise.

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So between home and church, it was pretty much a full on schedule for Louise and her siblings.

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But it was right there at church that Louise meets David Turpen.

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Now David is a little bit older than Louise here.

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In fact, seven years older to be exact.

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Now, the Turpins and the Robin Nets, they were both super involved in the church.

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I mean, their families were pretty tight as well.

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So David and Louise, they basically grew up inside each other's pockets.

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And when Louise hit 15 years old, David, at the time, obviously being 22, sparks began to fly between the couple and their friendships started blossoming into something a bit more.

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Well, you know, romantic.

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When Louise's parents discovered that Louise and David were dating, her dad was not really thrilled about it.

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I mean, would you be thrilled, I imagine

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your daughter's going out with a 22 year old and she's still in school.

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Mm-hmm.

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So I imagine quite a few dads and mums would've something to say about that.

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Yeah.

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No, I think he's well in his rights to be a bit a bit cautious, I think mainly, obviously, because he was disturbed by the seven year age gap between the two of him.

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To him, obviously he thought it was creepy, but he also didn't feel that Louise was old enough to be dating in the first place.

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But even though her dad banned Louise from seeing David Louise's mother let them keep dating on the sly.

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Oh, okay.

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So when David Eloise start dating, David Turpen had already left high school.

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He wasn't really anything special.

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He was just an average guy, you know, the type, boring, he's nerdy, not very good looking.

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And the cherry on top of the cake is his hair.

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So check out this picture.

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Okay.

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what is amazing about this is that, that's picture.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah.

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Um,

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do you know those dogs?

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Which ones?

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I dunno.

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The ones I can't see out.

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they're like

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eyes.

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Oh, there's so many.

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What?

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Like a beagle.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah.

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I dunno.

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It's just very, oh.

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A bit like Anne Whitcomb.

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The hair?

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Yes.

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Do you know, I think he looks like his face reminds me of that guy, Leslie jordan.

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That's it.

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Leslie

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Jordan.

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He's got an expression that looks like that wearing a, an whitcomb with

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he's, they, and the thing is though, he rocks this pretty much for his entire life.

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Oh, that's not a new thing.

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Which exactly.

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Which I think in itself deserves a damn round of

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applause.

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I mean, he looks quite a bit older.

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I dunno if that was taken at the same time.

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But they don't, he looks, I know he is seven years older, but he looks older

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than she does.

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The first, the picture of Louise is when she's maybe in her thirties.

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This is when he's in his fifties.

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Okay, fine.

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So yeah, there is a bit of an age gap between the two pictures anyway.

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Two time zones.

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Yeah.

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But you get a sense of what they look like.

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So back in 1985, when Louisa just 16 years old, the couple decided to make a bold choice to elope.

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Now a decision that was completely and utterly against.

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Louise's parents wishes.

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Mm-hmm.

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So on the day David gets creative and he disguises himself in a wig, because I think if he walked into to hide that hairstyle, to hide that hairstyle, because, you know, his own hair would be a dead giveaway.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, he slaps on a fake mustache and walks into Louise's High School pretending to be her father, and he signs Louisa's out of school.

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And the two of them, they just take off.

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I mean, that in to begin with, the fact that he's pretending to be his fa her father to get her out of school just feels really

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weird.

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And he can get away with it because he's seven years older.

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Yeah.

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Which is creepy if you know it's wrong.

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If you can do that, then it's wrong.

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Right.

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And it

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makes me think that wearing a fake mustache is way more believable than I thought it would be.

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What do you mean?

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Well, you think it's like a poor disguise, but clearly people seem to believe fake

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mustaches.

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There you go.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, we did, we had a fancy dress not that long ago, and we dressed as.

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Mario Brothers and we rock mustaches and yeah, people had no idea it was us.

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So I think you might be onto something.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Now Louise's parents are shocked when they discover that the two have gone off to get married.

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Louise's dad, he's of course livid now.

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Louise and David managed to get all the way to Texas before their parents find out that they've actually left, and then they manage to intercept them and bring them home.

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So how far is that?

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So they're currently in Virginia, so it's like a couple states away.

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Oh, okay.

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Now, when they get home, Louise's father, although he is not approving of their decision to elope, he tells like Louise that if marriage is truly what she wants, then he'll allow it.

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Mm-hmm.

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So that same year Dave and Louise decide to get married and fast forward to 1988, they welcome their first baby into this world and it's a daughter.

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So,

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did they manage to elope or did they come back and then

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get married?

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So they managed to, they didn't get married.

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They didn't elope, but they came back and they got married that later that year.

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Good.

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So that means they had a chance to have like a wedding list and something like that?

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Yeah.

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Great.

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Um, okay.

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All right.

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Well, it seems serious.

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they get married and they have a baby.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, good for them.

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So after their daughter was born, David and Louise make a choice to pack up from Virginia and start afresh in Fort Worth in Texas.

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Louisa's sister.

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Now, we will hear a lot about Louisa's family here because most of the information came from a documentary that you can catch on Apple TV if you want to.

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where Theresa pretty much stars throughout the entire documentary.

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So a lot of the anecdotes and a lot of the things that were said and observed come from Theresa herself,

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which is Louisa's sister,

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correct?

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Yes.

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Now, Theresa says that the move was essentially Louisa's escape plan.

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Her childhood had been typically filled with abuse and trauma from the get-go, and she wanted to kind of distance herself from at all.

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Apparently a very rich relative of theirs, a man in their family had sexually abused their mother throughout her entire life.

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Wow.

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But as Louise and Theresa's mother grew up, instead of her mother shielding her daughters from this monster, their mother had just let it continue.

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And Teresa, Elizabeth and Louise, they all suffered at his hands.

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She allowed that to happen to her daughters.

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That's

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terrible.

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She's a monster.

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Absolutely a monster.

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She's terrible.

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And it gets worse.

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Adam.

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And so

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who was that in the family?

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Did they say?

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Who?

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They don't say they want to protect his identity, which I think is a cop out.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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This is the thing about this episode is that there's gonna be so many people in this episode that just completely let all the kids down, there's gonna be so many opportunities where someone could have done something to protect these girls in one way or another, but they just didn't.

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Okay.

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And it's just gonna make you so mad.

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But yeah, we don't know who this person is because they still, to this day, decide that they wanna protect him, which I think is just disgusting.

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Even the daughters that were affected.

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Even these

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daughters, yes.

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Okay.

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Something really messy.

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Okay.

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Carry on.

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So Theresa says that she told their mother about what was going on and even begged her not to make them go to his house, but the reply that they got was, how else am I gonna feed and clothe you?

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So she's, so the mom

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is gonna get paid for sending her daughters off to this man's house to have sex with.

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You've got it in one.

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Isn't that just disgusting?

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So instead of being their protector, their mother just ignored the horror and just made them promise to all keep silent.

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She was their pimp in a weird way.

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Yeah.

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Although they probably didn't get the money.

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Well, of course they didn't get the money.

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Yeah.

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But that's why I needed, but I guess I got it in a roundabout way because if she's saying that she needed the money to feed them and clothe them, then I guess they are getting the money.

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And also, you gotta remember that throughout all of this, their father is a pastor in a, in a damn Christian Church.

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So how was.

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He not able to, but I have no idea.

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I have no idea what he thought about this, what he had to say, or even whether he even knew.

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It's just disgusting.

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Okay.

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But Adam and Spa to get worse, right?

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So when Louise was just 14, her grandmother walked into their front room to find this man on top of Louise.

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But instead of taking any action, like reporting the motherfucker to the authorities, Louise's grandmother just told the sisters to keep it a secret because she didn't want the family name to be tarnished.

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And that was her priority.

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A dark secret kept for the sake of appearances.

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I mean, I can understand.

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Yeah, we don't wanna shout about this, but surely you need to bring that person to justice.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I still haven't,

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I don't get it.

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I honestly don't get it.

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I'm telling you now, this family is a bunch of assholes, these poor girls.

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So.

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Louise and David make their escape to Fort Worth while Teresa and Elizabeth were left behind, forced to essentially bear the brunt of this family, friend's abuse.

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Now remembering those darker days, Teresa shared how this man had completely obliterated her sense of worth and get this, whenever their mother came to collect the girls after forcing in to stay at the house, he'd walk up to the car and hand her mother the money.

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Is disgusting.

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so I completely get how, why she'd wanna run away and get married and everything else.

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So fast forward to 1992.

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Louise welcomes her second child, which is a boy.

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Meanwhile, David was raking in literally like six figures working as an engineer for Lockheed Martin.

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This job allowed the couple to pretty much splurge on a lovely new house and sleep new cars.

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Louise would fly the rest of their family out to stay with them in Texas.

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Now the family members paint a picture of a spacious, spotless home.

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They tell us that the turpon were super gracious and super generous, always ready to lend a hand if they needed money or with gifts and things like that.

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This is almost the polar opposite of what we eventually come to know about the turbans.

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But at the time, their growing family from the outside at least seemed blissfully happy and perfectly ordinary.

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Now between 1992 and 1996, Louise and David have four more children.

00:25:27.830 --> 00:25:33.201
Who were always given the best toys, the best clothes, anything else they could possibly want.

00:25:33.205 --> 00:25:35.780
They were really spoiled and they were really well off children.

00:25:36.351 --> 00:25:37.550
I mean, six kids.

00:25:37.760 --> 00:25:38.871
That's a lot already.

00:25:39.141 --> 00:25:41.569
It is, yeah, but they've got the money, I guess.

00:25:41.619 --> 00:25:52.150
When they first got married, Louise says that she believes that her and David had a calling from God to have as many children as humanly possible.

00:25:52.779 --> 00:26:11.035
What we'll also find later on is that psychologists believe that Louise suffered from some strange or bizarre psychological issue, which might explain some of her behavior and also why she might have had a lot more children, okay.

00:26:11.035 --> 00:26:12.295
Than she probably needed to.

00:26:12.565 --> 00:26:12.924
Okay?

00:26:13.194 --> 00:26:14.125
But we'll get to that.

00:26:14.724 --> 00:26:23.575
Now let's dive into the darker side of David and Louisa's lavish lifestyle, because as it turns out was nothing more than a ard.

00:26:23.768 --> 00:26:30.458
The couple was spending way more beyond David's actual earnings, which eventually forced him to file for bankruptcy in 1992.

00:26:30.938 --> 00:26:31.478
Hang on a minute.

00:26:31.557 --> 00:26:37.528
They've already filed for bankruptcy in 1992, yet they have four more children when it gets to 1996.

00:26:37.585 --> 00:26:37.704
Mm-hmm.

00:26:38.394 --> 00:26:38.634
Okay.

00:26:38.634 --> 00:26:38.964
So they didn't

00:26:38.964 --> 00:26:39.505
cut back?

00:26:39.835 --> 00:26:41.065
well, they do start to cut back.

00:26:41.095 --> 00:26:41.545
Okay.

00:26:41.934 --> 00:26:47.634
So fast forward to 1998, Louise and David stopped paying for the family to come visit.

00:26:47.904 --> 00:27:00.325
This was partially because of course, the couple didn't want Louise's family to realize that they were having money issues, but also because it was around about this time that Louise and David begin abusing their six children.

00:27:01.105 --> 00:27:01.644
Oh, so they didn't

00:27:01.674 --> 00:27:03.325
do it to begin with then.

00:27:03.384 --> 00:27:06.234
So generally a happy lifestyle, normal

00:27:06.234 --> 00:27:06.714
family.

00:27:06.894 --> 00:27:07.795
Yeah, that's it.

00:27:07.884 --> 00:27:08.125
Okay.

00:27:08.125 --> 00:27:09.325
What's changed?

00:27:09.325 --> 00:27:10.285
What's, that's the thing.

00:27:10.285 --> 00:27:10.434
Yeah.

00:27:10.434 --> 00:27:10.704
What's

00:27:10.704 --> 00:27:11.335
triggered that?

00:27:11.575 --> 00:27:22.434
So all six children were attending public school and the faculty started to notice that the kids were being sent to school with dirty clothes without bathing or even like brushing their hair.

00:27:23.259 --> 00:27:26.200
So much so that the other kids started teasing them.

00:27:26.380 --> 00:27:40.779
Now in an interview with Diane Sawyer, which you must watch, and we'll link to this in the show notes, Jennifer Turin, the Turin's eldest daughter, speaks about how self-aware she was of her appearance and the way she looked.

00:27:40.809 --> 00:27:40.900
Mm-hmm.

00:27:41.140 --> 00:27:51.339
At this time, saying that the other kids would just call her smelly girl and they wouldn't wanna play with her, which is really a horrible, considering she was a young girl, like trying to make friends in this world, you know?

00:27:52.210 --> 00:27:59.289
And the thing is that when you watch her on television, she's so sweet, that the thought of someone bullying someone because they smell bad.

00:27:59.295 --> 00:28:00.039
Yes, I get it.

00:28:00.069 --> 00:28:02.349
Kids can be cruel, but I just felt so bad

00:28:02.349 --> 00:28:02.740
for her.

00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:09.279
So they're not like washing their clothes or just taking care and like being a good parent and say, yeah, you need to go clean your teeth.

00:28:09.339 --> 00:28:10.150
Just none of that.

00:28:10.180 --> 00:28:10.480
Wow.

00:28:10.509 --> 00:28:11.049
None of it.

00:28:11.724 --> 00:28:17.724
That same year, the turbans would make their final trip back to Virginia to see their extended family.

00:28:17.815 --> 00:28:29.315
After this visit, Louise begins distancing herself from her family and her sister Teresa speculates that it could be due to kind of the paving full memories that are resurfacing.

00:28:29.644 --> 00:28:38.585
However, it was more likely an attempt to hide the neglect that these children all of a sudden started to endure.

00:28:38.825 --> 00:28:42.875
So by 1999, the Turpon added a seventh child to their growing brood.

00:28:43.430 --> 00:28:52.799
Now neighbors noted the oddity of rarely seeing the children playing outdoors, sparking curiosity about the family's lifestyle.

00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.160
So sensing the scrutiny towards them, they just decide to move.

00:28:57.430 --> 00:29:01.599
And this will be a trend that will happen right over the next 20 years.

00:29:01.650 --> 00:29:08.700
However, when the new owners arrive at the Turpen old property, they say that they were shocked to see the state that the house was left in.

00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:14.250
Apparently, all of the carpets and the walls were filthy and covered in human feces.

00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:14.730
What?

00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:15.440
Hang on.

00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:15.769
But

00:29:15.829 --> 00:29:19.279
normally when you go to buy a house, you get to see it before you move in.

00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:19.779
So,

00:29:21.019 --> 00:29:21.559
God knows.

00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:22.849
Maybe it was at an auction.

00:29:22.849 --> 00:29:23.329
I don't know.

00:29:23.390 --> 00:29:24.410
Okay fair enough.

00:29:24.410 --> 00:29:31.160
Several of the interior doors also had really deep scratches that had been gouged into the wood.

00:29:31.910 --> 00:29:46.220
However, despite the odd condition of the house, the new owners never reported what they had found and just set about repairing the damage, which you are going to start to see is a running theme throughout this entire story.

00:29:46.710 --> 00:29:53.940
Meanwhile, the turbans purchase a 36 acre plot in a secluded Texas region known as Rio Vista.

00:29:55.940 --> 00:30:01.130
Now the Turin's new neighbor, Shelly Shelly Vineyard, and I hate Shelly.

00:30:01.700 --> 00:30:03.170
You're gonna find out why in a minute.

00:30:03.529 --> 00:30:13.009
So Shelly says that she was keen to introduce herself and her daughter Ashley, to the Turin, so that her daughter would finally have other kids her own age to play with.

00:30:14.285 --> 00:30:20.644
Yet the vineyards quickly sensed that there was something very weird about the terpenes.

00:30:20.884 --> 00:30:31.664
Shelly noticed that the other kids were only ever allowed to play with her daughter Ashley on their property, and never were allowed to venture across their property border, right?

00:30:31.694 --> 00:30:31.845
Okay.

00:30:31.845 --> 00:30:32.384
Or boundary.

00:30:33.164 --> 00:30:39.974
One day as Shelly returned home, she spotted the Turpen kids engaged in play in their own yard.

00:30:40.065 --> 00:30:49.484
Now, seeing this as an opportunity, she decided to take the initiative to introduce herself, to find out more about these kids that her daughter had been playing with.

00:30:49.535 --> 00:30:49.805
Right?

00:30:49.809 --> 00:30:50.375
Makes sense.

00:30:50.494 --> 00:30:56.704
Walking over, she greets the children, asking them for their names, and the response is literally just as a blank stare.

00:30:57.244 --> 00:31:07.684
And so one of the older girls breaks her silence and she says, well, if you listen closely, she says, then maybe you might figure out our names.

00:31:07.775 --> 00:31:13.924
And then suddenly one of the younger girls panics and she says, no, don't tell her.

00:31:14.404 --> 00:31:15.484
Like in a really panic way.

00:31:15.605 --> 00:31:15.994
Right?

00:31:16.565 --> 00:31:16.865
What?

00:31:16.984 --> 00:31:18.214
What do you make of that?

00:31:18.275 --> 00:31:19.055
it's weird, right?

00:31:19.085 --> 00:31:21.065
I'm not even sure I fully understand.

00:31:21.404 --> 00:31:23.954
Like why the panic and why the weird game?

00:31:24.272 --> 00:31:30.212
Well, maybe that the old one was suggesting, well, we can't really tell you, but if you listen, you might hear us like overhear us.

00:31:30.272 --> 00:31:30.603
Mm-hmm.

00:31:30.663 --> 00:31:32.972
And then the other one's like, don't say anything at all.

00:31:33.042 --> 00:31:33.343
Right?

00:31:33.347 --> 00:31:34.482
What a weird thing to say.

00:31:34.482 --> 00:31:37.932
Why would you not like they go to, well, do they go to school at this point?

00:31:38.173 --> 00:31:40.002
they do, but not for long.

00:31:40.272 --> 00:31:40.603
Okay.

00:31:41.083 --> 00:31:43.153
So in the same moment.

00:31:43.633 --> 00:31:48.462
Shelly realizes something even more unsettling about what's just happened.

00:31:50.202 --> 00:31:51.853
The children are extremely dirty.

00:31:52.512 --> 00:31:59.803
Only their hands appear to be clean now being starkly white in comparison to their grimy bodies.

00:31:59.903 --> 00:32:02.992
Shelly thinks that they're literally wearing gloves.

00:32:02.992 --> 00:32:04.163
That's how dirty they are.

00:32:04.942 --> 00:32:06.472
They're for that.

00:32:06.563 --> 00:32:07.222
What?

00:32:07.343 --> 00:32:07.762
Yeah.

00:32:07.823 --> 00:32:10.883
Now Shelly asks the kids about this, right?

00:32:10.887 --> 00:32:19.012
And one of the younger kids tells her that if they washed past their wrists, this would be considered as we wasting water.

00:32:19.212 --> 00:32:24.869
So the turbans were only allowing the kids to take baths once a year.

00:32:25.650 --> 00:32:25.740
No.

00:32:26.250 --> 00:32:34.230
If they were caught washing anything above their wrists, they would be accused of wasting water and so they would then be punished.

00:32:35.065 --> 00:32:36.674
That makes no sense.

00:32:36.734 --> 00:32:36.944
Mm-hmm.

00:32:38.025 --> 00:32:39.674
Were the parents allowed to wash?

00:32:40.454 --> 00:32:41.325
I guess so.

00:32:41.414 --> 00:32:42.734
I mean, they seem to be fine.

00:32:42.740 --> 00:32:44.204
They would go out all the time.

00:32:44.204 --> 00:32:46.275
They seem to be ket and clean and stuff.

00:32:48.075 --> 00:32:56.500
Now, once Louise and David became aware that Shelly was questioning their kids, the Turpen kids are forbidden from playing with Shelly's daughter Ashley.

00:32:56.711 --> 00:32:58.451
So they never see Ashley again.

00:32:58.901 --> 00:33:02.830
And I'm guessing Shelly doesn't report this or say anything to anyone.

00:33:03.040 --> 00:33:04.201
She just goes, that's weird.

00:33:04.560 --> 00:33:04.651
Oh,

00:33:04.651 --> 00:33:08.040
well, Adam, it's about to get so much worse.

00:33:08.101 --> 00:33:11.941
You are going to absolutely hate this Shelly woman.

00:33:12.060 --> 00:33:20.191
Okay, so the Turpen family's behavior was growing increasingly peculiar other than David, who would leave the home to go to work.

00:33:20.250 --> 00:33:23.820
The Turpen children were never seen during daylight hours.

00:33:24.601 --> 00:33:28.381
Shelly and the other neighbors noticed a really odd pattern.

00:33:28.585 --> 00:33:32.815
At night, the house's lights would all be turned on throughout the entire night.

00:33:32.934 --> 00:33:37.045
But during the day, all the curtains and blind would remain shut tight.

00:33:37.351 --> 00:33:43.951
We later learned that the Turpins had intentionally adopted a nocturnal lifestyle in a bit to further hide the abuse that was going on.

00:33:43.951 --> 00:33:45.840
And so the kids wouldn't be seen outside.

00:33:46.105 --> 00:33:59.214
We'd find out that during the day the kids are expected to sleep and if they were awake because of school or whatever, and I say that lightly, which will come back to later in a bit, they were not allowed to stand up in the house.

00:33:59.244 --> 00:34:03.835
Instead, they had to crawl around on the floor or stay seated the entire time.

00:34:03.835 --> 00:34:06.984
And this was to ensure that nobody would be able to catch sight of them

00:34:06.984 --> 00:34:07.190
these

00:34:07.190 --> 00:34:08.480
people have gone insane.

00:34:08.510 --> 00:34:09.590
They have gone insane.

00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:12.159
there 100% believe they've gone insane.

00:34:12.219 --> 00:34:13.090
There is no

00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.489
logic whatsoever to

00:34:15.489 --> 00:34:16.420
what they're doing.

00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:23.619
I think it's so bad the abuse that they just don't want anyone to know anything about them.

00:34:23.619 --> 00:34:25.239
I think they're just really private people.

00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:28.150
I, yeah, I wanna know.

00:34:28.150 --> 00:34:28.389
It is weird.

00:34:28.394 --> 00:34:28.809
I get it.

00:34:28.809 --> 00:34:30.730
I don't, can't pretend that I can understand.

00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:31.119
I wanna know

00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.019
what happened to them to do, to behave like this cuz

00:34:35.019 --> 00:34:35.769
they need help.

00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:36.400
Yeah.

00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.809
So the turbans were just as controlling when it came to meals as well.

00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.769
Each child was given minimal food on a rigid schedule.

00:34:45.027 --> 00:34:55.788
We know roughly that this is when the restricted diet started because neighbors would start noticing that the Turpen boys would routinely scavenge through their rubbish bins in the middle of the night trying to find food.

00:34:56.561 --> 00:34:57.880
Here is my problem with that.

00:34:58.601 --> 00:35:05.797
How does a normal person not question when they see a child looking through the bin for food?

00:35:06.697 --> 00:35:09.666
Why has no one reported this one?

00:35:09.726 --> 00:35:10.146
The first

00:35:10.146 --> 00:35:12.697
thing you might do is actually go there and speak to the parents.

00:35:12.757 --> 00:35:12.847
Mm-hmm.

00:35:13.237 --> 00:35:13.536
For sure.

00:35:13.536 --> 00:35:18.786
And then you'd probably, I don't know, then you'd get an impression or they'd, I don't know.

00:35:18.786 --> 00:35:20.016
That's the first thing, right?

00:35:20.047 --> 00:35:20.286
Sure.

00:35:20.286 --> 00:35:23.197
And if you get a weird vibe, then you might call the police.

00:35:23.197 --> 00:35:26.376
You wanna call someone or like keep an eye or observation or

00:35:26.376 --> 00:35:26.827
something.

00:35:27.217 --> 00:35:33.036
So in the Apple TV documentary, When interviewing Shelly, God, I got so angry.

00:35:34.027 --> 00:35:42.204
She never once reported any of her observations to anyone, to child services, to the police, or anyone.

00:35:42.505 --> 00:35:48.144
And to me, Shelly is just as palpable as the turbans for her lack of action.

00:35:48.150 --> 00:35:49.764
She's got a daughter of her own.

00:35:50.034 --> 00:35:51.655
She should have done something.

00:35:51.835 --> 00:35:52.434
Yeah.

00:35:53.164 --> 00:35:54.605
So here's another Shelly story.

00:35:54.635 --> 00:36:00.094
So in 2010, Shelly sees one of the Turpen teenagers running out of the woods.

00:36:01.175 --> 00:36:14.494
She says It's odd because this, for this kid to be in this section of the woods, they would have to have snuck out around the backyard and traveled three miles through the woods on extremely rough terrain.

00:36:14.855 --> 00:36:16.954
So that's why this stood out so much.

00:36:16.954 --> 00:36:17.045
Mm-hmm.

00:36:17.780 --> 00:36:22.730
And also there's the fact that they saw another Turin girl outside in the daytime, which they haven't seen in ages.

00:36:23.809 --> 00:36:28.039
Another neighbor says they also saw the same Turin girl running out of the woods.

00:36:28.489 --> 00:36:34.159
And because she looked in such a state, they decided to pull up alongside her and ask if she was okay.

00:36:34.250 --> 00:36:40.340
And the neighbor says that the girl didn't seem to have a general understanding of the world at all.

00:36:40.539 --> 00:36:45.219
She had no clue who the president was and didn't seem to know even how old she was.

00:36:45.219 --> 00:36:46.030
When asked.

00:36:46.989 --> 00:36:53.829
Now, according to this day, the Turpen girl was asking questions about how she could go off and get a job, an apartment, and a car.

00:36:54.309 --> 00:37:03.550
And when the Turpen girl realized that getting all these things was gonna be a lot harder than she thought, she then asked that same neighbor to call 9 1 1 for her.

00:37:03.909 --> 00:37:04.570
But guess what?

00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.260
The neighbor refuses and instead drives all the way back to her parents' house.

00:37:09.550 --> 00:37:10.239
I guess

00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.420
maybe you would think, oh, this is a prank.

00:37:13.420 --> 00:37:16.179
Maybe they didn't buy it because it's just saying so extreme.

00:37:16.179 --> 00:37:17.889
So at least they did pick her up.

00:37:18.369 --> 00:37:19.929
But then, I don't know.

00:37:19.929 --> 00:37:26.960
Would you, I'm trying to think, is that, I'm trying to find some logic for why they may have not

00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:27.590
believed her.

00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:29.449
I can't see it.

00:37:29.750 --> 00:37:34.940
I can't, I mean, I would at least tell someone, someone, no.

00:37:35.449 --> 00:37:37.219
Yeah, I think so.

00:37:37.250 --> 00:37:37.579
Yeah.

00:37:37.670 --> 00:37:40.670
Especially when you know about this weird family, right.

00:37:40.670 --> 00:37:42.590
That you very rarely see, I guess those

00:37:42.590 --> 00:37:43.039
questions

00:37:43.045 --> 00:37:44.570
are very weird as well.

00:37:44.570 --> 00:37:45.949
Like, how do I like get a job?

00:37:45.949 --> 00:37:47.000
How do I do this?

00:37:47.449 --> 00:37:52.820
And some things that if you're gonna drop'em off the parents, you'd go, I just had this weird conversation with your daughter.

00:37:52.849 --> 00:37:52.940
Mm-hmm.

00:37:54.380 --> 00:38:00.800
But maybe then the parents like, put on this oh, I dunno, maybe the, how the parents reacted to those questions.

00:38:00.829 --> 00:38:00.949
Yeah.

00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:03.170
They were quite well rehearsed and downplaying

00:38:03.170 --> 00:38:04.130
them possibly.

00:38:04.909 --> 00:38:08.389
I don't know what the fuck's going on with the neighborhood, but they're all a bunch of assholes.

00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:10.039
Yeah.

00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:14.659
What happened to like nosy neighbors like Kurt and Twitches and stuff like that?

00:38:14.664 --> 00:38:14.750
Yeah.

00:38:14.750 --> 00:38:15.829
At least they tell someone.

00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:23.619
I mean, I guess the shame is they didn't have a Facebook group at this time, and so what would've happened with people would've been commenting on the Facebook group.

00:38:23.650 --> 00:38:24.159
That's true.

00:38:24.610 --> 00:38:25.000
That's true.

00:38:25.090 --> 00:38:27.730
They do have MySpace though, which we'll find out about later on.

00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:28.179
Okay.

00:38:28.476 --> 00:38:36.547
So while the Turpins were living in Rio Vista, that's Texas, Louise and David have five more children bring their total up to 12.

00:38:37.277 --> 00:38:39.467
The turbans did have a few run-ins with the law.

00:38:39.672 --> 00:38:57.331
Bringing them to the attention of the local authorities once or twice, but nothing ultimately ever led to any kind of welfare check on these children while they lived here, for instance, in June, 2001, the Sheriff's office was called after one of the dogs severely bit, one of the children in the face.

00:38:57.422 --> 00:39:12.291
Now, David took the young girl to the hospital where she received several stitches, and the sheriff's office was then contacted who then subsequently conducted a brief investigation, but nothing was found out in the ordinary because it just looks like it was just a basic dog bite.

00:39:12.351 --> 00:39:12.771
Mm-hmm.

00:39:13.561 --> 00:39:23.222
And so this is the only documented instance of any of the Turpon children ever receiving any kind of medical intervention throughout their entire lives.

00:39:23.222 --> 00:39:26.041
Remember, there's 12 of them, 13 of them eventually.

00:39:27.152 --> 00:39:27.391
Wow.

00:39:27.391 --> 00:39:30.942
So that thing, they haven't broken an arm, although I guess they're not allowed out or any.

00:39:30.942 --> 00:39:30.943
Mm.

00:39:31.351 --> 00:39:32.012
And so,

00:39:32.521 --> 00:39:32.882
yeah.

00:39:33.436 --> 00:39:37.086
Surely they must come down with something mumps or the flu or something.

00:39:37.086 --> 00:39:37.356
Yeah.

00:39:37.356 --> 00:39:37.836
Are they getting any

00:39:37.836 --> 00:39:38.617
vaccines

00:39:38.621 --> 00:39:39.097
and stuff?

00:39:39.097 --> 00:39:39.726
God knows.

00:39:39.797 --> 00:39:40.697
Doesn't sound like it.

00:39:40.994 --> 00:39:52.724
Then in 2003, one of the turin's hogs escapes from their property and makes its way over to the neighbor's house where it manages to eat an entire 20 kilogram bag of the neighbor's dog food.

00:39:53.324 --> 00:39:55.963
The neighbor then files a complaint with the sheriff's department.

00:39:56.503 --> 00:40:08.414
Now I bring this up because I find it intriguing that the neighbors seemed totally unbothered when they see children scavenging for food in their bins, but are quick to call the police when something that affects them personally happens.

00:40:08.474 --> 00:40:10.739
Which again, Pisses me off.

00:40:11.188 --> 00:40:11.579
Yeah.

00:40:12.148 --> 00:40:17.909
Anyway, in response to this complaint, the sheriff's department visits the Turin's property and speaks to David.

00:40:18.268 --> 00:40:25.849
David pretty much agrees that, um, he's gonna replace the, the neighbor's dog food and keep a close eye on his hogs.

00:40:26.148 --> 00:40:31.338
Unfortunately, at no point did the officer enter the house, so they wouldn't

00:40:31.338 --> 00:40:32.688
have seen Yeah.

00:40:32.898 --> 00:40:33.889
What was going on, or

00:40:33.889 --> 00:40:34.818
the feces on the wall.

00:40:35.809 --> 00:40:47.648
Well, we're gonna find out about what the state of the house was left in because in 2010, David loses his job at Lockheed Martin and the Turpon start falling into severe debt.

00:40:47.889 --> 00:40:51.639
Eventually their Rio Vista property is repossessed.

00:40:51.833 --> 00:41:13.472
This news only comes to light when the neighbors wake up one morning and notice that the Turpins have packed up their belongings and left in the middle of the night living across the street from the turbans Shelly finally gets her little chance to look inside the house where she's apparently shocked by the state that the home has left in.

00:41:14.041 --> 00:41:28.081
She says that the turpins had abandoned their pets inside the house, and by the time that anyone managed to gain access, the dogs were near starving and had been living off piles of rubbish and dirty nappies that had just been left to pile up.

00:41:28.081 --> 00:41:28.141
No.

00:41:28.771 --> 00:41:29.072
Mm.

00:41:30.242 --> 00:41:36.751
Apparently the carpeting in the house had been completely removed and ripped out and in its place.

00:41:37.186 --> 00:41:43.067
Ply boards had been put down, which were all completely covered in stains.

00:41:43.067 --> 00:41:49.306
Like poo And urine and vomit and just all sorts of disgusting stains.

00:41:49.697 --> 00:41:50.777
I can't believe this.

00:41:50.782 --> 00:41:53.632
there's 10 children right now, isn't there?

00:41:53.637 --> 00:41:54.202
Or something like that.

00:41:54.206 --> 00:41:55.072
10 or 11 children.

00:41:55.072 --> 00:41:55.822
There's 12 now.

00:41:55.911 --> 00:41:59.871
12, and I can't, how do you even live like that?

00:42:00.081 --> 00:42:01.521
It's gross now.

00:42:01.521 --> 00:42:02.572
And Shelly did nothing.

00:42:02.782 --> 00:42:03.592
She did nothing.

00:42:03.802 --> 00:42:06.922
There is a part of me that just thinks that Shelly is just full of shit.

00:42:07.059 --> 00:42:13.898
I just cannot believe that someone would be witness to all of this and just not report it to anyone.

00:42:14.168 --> 00:42:27.592
So I, there's a part of me that genuine, if it wasn't for the pictures, I genuinely think that this is just someone trying to get their 15 minutes of fame by position herself at the center of the story when the documentary team comes knocking on the door, you know?

00:42:27.592 --> 00:42:27.681
Right.

00:42:27.771 --> 00:42:28.072
Yeah.

00:42:28.101 --> 00:42:31.831
Okay, I do have some pictures here for you that I can show you.

00:42:32.402 --> 00:42:32.762
Yeah.

00:42:32.972 --> 00:42:35.371
Just look at the state that this house is in.

00:42:35.376 --> 00:42:36.961
Look at the rubbish and the trash.

00:42:37.021 --> 00:42:37.411
And so that's

00:42:37.411 --> 00:42:39.452
what they left it in, or one of the houses,

00:42:39.512 --> 00:42:39.811
is that?

00:42:39.871 --> 00:42:40.291
Yeah.

00:42:40.291 --> 00:42:43.231
I don't know if this is the house that the kids were rescued from.

00:42:43.231 --> 00:42:46.952
I think this looks like the house that the kids were rescued from at the end.

00:42:47.132 --> 00:42:47.311
Okay.

00:42:47.371 --> 00:42:49.922
But this just gives you a sense of what they were living in.

00:42:49.927 --> 00:42:51.481
Of course, if they'd moved out.

00:42:51.501 --> 00:42:51.851
Trash.

00:42:51.856 --> 00:42:52.262
Trash.

00:42:52.291 --> 00:42:52.711
Yeah.

00:42:52.802 --> 00:42:53.942
It's just trash.

00:42:53.972 --> 00:42:54.842
It's piled up.

00:42:55.315 --> 00:42:56.635
Look, and these are the beds.

00:42:56.635 --> 00:42:59.405
You can see the chains, chains, oh my.

00:42:59.614 --> 00:43:00.695
In the bunk beds.

00:43:01.775 --> 00:43:02.164
Yeah.

00:43:02.367 --> 00:43:10.228
Anyway, Shelly says, it was clear that the children had been sharing a small bedroom jammed with bunk beds.

00:43:10.677 --> 00:43:18.507
She notices that ropes had been tied to each of the headboards as well as the foot boards of each bed.

00:43:19.288 --> 00:43:25.492
And again, surprise, Shelly never reports this to child services or the police or anything.

00:43:25.523 --> 00:43:29.873
And again, like I said earlier on, not until I guess a film crew decide to come knocking 10 years later.

00:43:30.052 --> 00:43:30.293
Right.

00:43:30.472 --> 00:43:30.713
So

00:43:30.713 --> 00:43:33.382
did anyone like move into that house

00:43:33.382 --> 00:43:33.652
then?

00:43:34.342 --> 00:43:36.922
I believe it was sold at auction, so yes.

00:43:36.952 --> 00:43:38.242
So some, okay.

00:43:38.302 --> 00:43:42.983
Shelly aside, other people would've gone into that house and cleaned it

00:43:42.987 --> 00:43:43.583
and got it ready.

00:43:43.583 --> 00:43:44.063
Exactly.

00:43:44.063 --> 00:43:45.472
That's what, and no one did anything.

00:43:45.472 --> 00:43:45.773
Yes.

00:43:45.773 --> 00:43:46.552
That's what baffles me.

00:43:46.552 --> 00:43:48.112
That's exactly what I wrote down here.

00:43:48.112 --> 00:43:49.463
What baffles my brain?

00:43:49.822 --> 00:43:54.353
Is what about the people that were involved in the Repossessing Of the house?

00:43:54.472 --> 00:43:57.503
Auctioning of the house, the estate agents, the cleaners?

00:43:57.603 --> 00:44:03.182
nobody said anything considering what Shelly claims was in the house.

00:44:03.242 --> 00:44:03.543
And this

00:44:03.543 --> 00:44:04.862
isn't that long ago.

00:44:04.893 --> 00:44:05.862
It's not like this was mm-hmm.

00:44:05.947 --> 00:44:10.773
In the twenties or something like that, where, I don't know, communication was different or I don't know.

00:44:10.773 --> 00:44:14.583
People kept themselves, I dunno what it, the point is,

00:44:15.422 --> 00:44:15.873
I'm shocked.

00:44:16.563 --> 00:44:17.253
It's shocking.

00:44:17.313 --> 00:44:18.603
It's shocking stuff, Adam.

00:44:18.932 --> 00:44:28.362
So it would later to become known that these ropes were being used as a form of punishment where the turbines would tie their kids to their beds for days at a time.

00:44:28.362 --> 00:44:29.862
And in some cases, months.

00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:36.918
And the reasons for getting tied up would be for sneaking food or wasting water, which is just disgusting.

00:44:37.309 --> 00:44:38.869
No wonder they're so dirty.

00:44:38.873 --> 00:44:41.059
They're scared being tied up like that.

00:44:41.059 --> 00:44:41.148
Mm-hmm.

00:44:41.929 --> 00:44:46.489
Months according to the children, their parents, who would tie them up first with ropes.

00:44:46.579 --> 00:44:48.739
So sometimes they would be hog tied.

00:44:49.009 --> 00:44:50.239
Do you know what hog tide is?

00:44:50.492 --> 00:44:50.612
Is

00:44:50.612 --> 00:44:54.452
this something we, is that where you tie your legs and your arms together?

00:44:54.632 --> 00:44:55.262
Have a look at that.

00:44:55.472 --> 00:44:56.822
That's what hog tide is.

00:44:57.692 --> 00:45:00.992
By the way, for our listeners, this isn't a picture of a child being hogtied.

00:45:00.992 --> 00:45:04.021
This is just a diagram of someone being hogtied.

00:45:04.382 --> 00:45:06.271
But describe that for me.

00:45:06.481 --> 00:45:08.552
That is a man on his front.

00:45:08.672 --> 00:45:08.822
Mm-hmm.

00:45:09.311 --> 00:45:12.702
with his arms tied behind his back.

00:45:13.061 --> 00:45:16.092
Which I then got a piece of rope going to his legs.

00:45:16.152 --> 00:45:19.731
So his legs are kind of at 90 degrees, like bent.

00:45:20.032 --> 00:45:20.751
Between, yeah.

00:45:20.751 --> 00:45:23.342
So his ankles and his wrists are tied

00:45:23.402 --> 00:45:23.791
together.

00:45:24.001 --> 00:45:24.902
It's just horrendous.

00:45:25.351 --> 00:45:31.681
The kids say that once the older kids were able to escape from their ropes, the turpen parents started using chains and padlocks.

00:45:31.905 --> 00:45:40.264
Now, after leaving Rio Vista, the turbans set their sites on a place called Marietta, which is in California.

00:45:40.704 --> 00:45:42.773
Unlike the previous home in Texas.

00:45:42.923 --> 00:45:52.199
However, where they had 36 acres of land to isolate themselves, their new home sat in the middle of a residential cul-de-sac bordered by neighbors on either side.

00:45:52.708 --> 00:45:58.398
So it was gonna be a lot harder for them to start to conceal the abuse, but they manage it after this move.

00:45:58.632 --> 00:46:04.512
Not only did the physical surroundings change, but so did the relationship between David and Louise.

00:46:05.128 --> 00:46:11.907
Louise had just celebrated her 40th birthday, and David was closing in on 48.

00:46:12.447 --> 00:46:20.251
Around the same period, they decided that they were going to leave the Pentecostal faith making a pivot towards a more hedonistic lifestyle.

00:46:20.791 --> 00:46:21.990
It was time to party.

00:46:22.606 --> 00:46:23.746
Now's the time to party.

00:46:23.775 --> 00:46:24.885
Now's the time to party.

00:46:24.945 --> 00:46:27.460
what the hell do they need to, what are they gonna do now?

00:46:27.791 --> 00:46:35.920
Well, up until this point, they'd never consumed alcohol, never taken drugs, and never had sex with anyone other than each other.

00:46:35.981 --> 00:46:37.150
Are they gonna become swingers?

00:46:37.690 --> 00:46:40.271
But now they were looking to make up for lost time.

00:46:41.021 --> 00:46:43.751
They both started drinking and experimenting sexually.

00:46:43.780 --> 00:46:54.650
Now, louise started sharing suggestive photos of herself on MySpace, ranging from her posing provocatively in risky lingerie to her in a bathtub.

00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:08.483
Louise told her sister that her and David would visit bars where Louise would engage in sexual encounters with under other men while David just waited outside in his car Louise and David made contact with a man em online.

00:47:08.583 --> 00:47:11.403
So David drove Louise to a motel.

00:47:11.704 --> 00:47:21.213
While he waits in the car, Louise then goes in and has this encounter with this man, which she films the entire thing so her and David can later watch it together.

00:47:22.773 --> 00:47:24.813
What the actual Hell yeah.

00:47:25.373 --> 00:47:25.664
Yeah.

00:47:26.224 --> 00:47:37.954
A year later, David and Louise drive back to the same motel and rent the exact same room because Dave wants to have sex with his wife in the same bed that Louise had sex with that guy on.

00:47:37.958 --> 00:47:39.623
Oh, it's gross is gross.

00:47:39.784 --> 00:47:40.713
It's disgusting.

00:47:40.713 --> 00:47:42.153
What is wrong with these people?

00:47:42.153 --> 00:47:45.844
Why is no one looking at the MySpace and going, why is she in the bath with a what?

00:47:45.844 --> 00:47:46.184
A ette.

00:47:46.188 --> 00:47:46.353
Cochet.

00:47:47.043 --> 00:47:47.974
Bloody hell.

00:47:48.304 --> 00:47:50.914
Why are people not, I don't understand.

00:47:51.184 --> 00:47:52.384
Who are these people?

00:47:52.414 --> 00:47:53.494
What is wrong with them?

00:47:53.543 --> 00:47:55.614
it's David and Louise Turpen.

00:47:55.853 --> 00:47:58.673
Yeah, but they should be looking after their kids.

00:47:58.733 --> 00:47:59.213
I know.

00:47:59.273 --> 00:48:00.173
It's heartbreaking.

00:48:00.173 --> 00:48:00.804
It's gross.

00:48:01.373 --> 00:48:06.563
So in 2010, Louise's mother dies in a car crash, but Louise refuses to attend the funeral.

00:48:06.623 --> 00:48:12.083
Now her sister says that, of course this is because Louise is still holding onto a lot of resentment towards mommy.

00:48:13.284 --> 00:48:19.853
First of all, I wanna say, you think Mm, mommy sold her kids to a creepy rich uncle.

00:48:20.273 --> 00:48:24.083
And second Theresa, you're like in your fifties, don't call her mommy.

00:48:25.333 --> 00:48:27.284
come on, you're better than that.

00:48:27.284 --> 00:48:27.373
Mm-hmm.

00:48:27.884 --> 00:48:28.574
That's creepy.

00:48:30.253 --> 00:48:34.844
So Louise and David decide that they are going to begin homeschooling their children formally.

00:48:35.684 --> 00:48:51.048
The kids are now constantly being teased for their appearance and now, there's even more severe bruising as a result of prolonged periods of them being chained up, which was making the couple a bit weary of attracting further attention.

00:48:51.108 --> 00:48:52.248
Oh, now they're concerned.

00:48:52.521 --> 00:49:00.411
So the homeschool they establish is named Sam Castle Day School, and Louise is the teacher and David is the principal.

00:49:00.802 --> 00:49:07.581
However, it later becomes evident that the 12 turf and children were not taught anything or value or worthwhile at all.

00:49:08.302 --> 00:49:19.791
So blatantly this was obvious that the school is just another way for them to further hide the abuse that they were inflicting on their children and to stop kind of scrutiny onto themselves.

00:49:20.751 --> 00:49:26.271
When authorities finally do intervene, most of the kids don't even know what a police officer is.

00:49:27.072 --> 00:49:34.141
Jordan, in her 9 1 1 call, the operator does ask her if she's on medication and she's like, I dunno what medication is.

00:49:34.442 --> 00:49:34.922
Right?

00:49:35.012 --> 00:49:35.101
Yeah.

00:49:35.101 --> 00:49:36.331
So she doesn't even know these basic things.

00:49:36.331 --> 00:49:37.202
And she's 17.

00:49:37.322 --> 00:49:38.612
She's 17.

00:49:38.617 --> 00:49:38.942
Yeah.

00:49:39.153 --> 00:49:39.634
Okay.

00:49:39.844 --> 00:49:46.684
So she would've perhaps experienced some potential normality at the beginning, if she's one of the older ones, maybe.

00:49:46.903 --> 00:49:48.824
went to school, possibly.

00:49:48.824 --> 00:49:49.094
Yeah.

00:49:49.123 --> 00:49:52.539
So I think there's 10 years between her and her older sister.

00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:52.628
Oh,

00:49:52.628 --> 00:49:53.108
okay.

00:49:53.378 --> 00:49:53.739
So

00:49:54.009 --> 00:49:57.438
that, I think so she's 27 at the time.

00:49:57.438 --> 00:49:59.128
I think she's 28 now.

00:49:59.128 --> 00:50:01.588
And I think this was all uncovered in like 2018.

00:50:01.588 --> 00:50:04.768
So she would've been close to 30, I think.

00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:06.509
And she was the older, the older one.

00:50:06.778 --> 00:50:09.028
And she was still in the home being trapped.

00:50:09.059 --> 00:50:09.599
Oh, yeah.

00:50:09.659 --> 00:50:13.199
There was older boys as well that just didn't leave the house.

00:50:13.228 --> 00:50:13.289
Oh.

00:50:13.289 --> 00:50:18.369
So, so I thought the girl that had called the police was like one of the oldest ones, but she's not.

00:50:18.528 --> 00:50:18.748
no.

00:50:18.969 --> 00:50:20.798
Oh, there's actual grown adults.

00:50:20.829 --> 00:50:20.918
Mm-hmm.

00:50:21.548 --> 00:50:23.318
Being trapped by their parents.

00:50:23.349 --> 00:50:23.588
Yeah.

00:50:23.648 --> 00:50:24.789
Because they don't know any better.

00:50:26.789 --> 00:50:32.652
So in 2012, the Turpen decide to move again.

00:50:33.056 --> 00:50:36.896
This time they relocate to Paris, California, which is not too far away.

00:50:37.436 --> 00:50:41.487
It's again, a busing neighborhood line with houses on either side of a busy street.

00:50:41.847 --> 00:50:45.987
And again, neighbors seldom saw the children.

00:50:46.407 --> 00:50:50.336
And when they did, it was always at night In Paris.

00:50:50.467 --> 00:50:53.347
Life for the turbans was just no different.

00:50:53.436 --> 00:50:56.856
When the children weren't chained to their beds, they were confined to cages.

00:50:56.856 --> 00:51:08.467
Now, often David and Louise would compel the older children to do the strenuous task of placing their younger children into these cages, threatening them with the same fate if they refused.

00:51:09.547 --> 00:51:11.137
And they were like, they had a choice.

00:51:11.347 --> 00:51:13.657
But the thing is though, when it comes to that, it's not a choice.

00:51:13.717 --> 00:51:13.867
No.

00:51:13.871 --> 00:51:14.206
Is it?

00:51:14.206 --> 00:51:14.367
No.

00:51:14.556 --> 00:51:19.297
It's like I'm either in a cage for potentially a month, or it's my little younger sister, they

00:51:19.447 --> 00:51:22.717
don't know what they're doing, or they don't know anything different.

00:51:23.016 --> 00:51:24.606
They're brainwashed almost.

00:51:24.666 --> 00:51:25.297
It's awful.

00:51:26.061 --> 00:51:29.422
The children were lucky if they received one small meal a day.

00:51:29.661 --> 00:51:32.751
Most of the time this was peanut butter sandwiches.

00:51:33.681 --> 00:51:39.081
Meanwhile, bloody David and Louise ate constantly in front of their children.

00:51:39.291 --> 00:51:48.532
Most of the time it was older children who were forced to prepare David and Louise's meals for them, and then they had to stand there and watch as they stuff their faces.

00:51:48.952 --> 00:51:56.512
And according to the children, Louise would bake desserts like pies and leave them on the kitchen counter, but the children were strictly forbidden from even touching them.

00:51:57.742 --> 00:52:02.481
I can barely fating a harsher form of torture.

00:52:02.961 --> 00:52:12.021
The thought of watching your parents casually enjoying a pie in front of you while you are starving is just beyond belief really.

00:52:12.382 --> 00:52:12.981
Do you know what I would

00:52:12.981 --> 00:52:15.681
do if I was making them a peanut burst sandwich?

00:52:15.891 --> 00:52:17.452
I'd switch the peanut butter for poo.

00:52:18.411 --> 00:52:20.601
They can have some of my poo in their sandwich.

00:52:20.632 --> 00:52:21.621
Yeah, eat my poo.

00:52:21.967 --> 00:52:23.646
Eat it, but then I'd probably end

00:52:23.652 --> 00:52:24.726
up in the cage for a month.

00:52:25.086 --> 00:52:25.717
So maybe it wouldn't,

00:52:25.766 --> 00:52:35.523
So Louise also, as I mentioned earlier on, had a severe hoarding problem and also a major like shopping addiction.

00:52:36.364 --> 00:52:54.244
Specifically get this, I know specifically Louise was obsessed with buying tons of children's clothes, toys, and games, pretty much anything related to children, yet the kids were not allowed to touch any of it.

00:52:54.963 --> 00:53:00.693
So these things literally just piled up all in their original packaging, all with their original labels on them.

00:53:00.963 --> 00:53:03.123
When they, the police finally intervened.

00:53:03.184 --> 00:53:08.824
They were going through and they were cupboards just filled with clothes and clothes hangers filled with clothes with all the labels on them.

00:53:09.498 --> 00:53:17.509
In an interview with Diane Sawyer, the girls talked about how Louise had close to a hundred different limited edition monopoly board games just sitting there.

00:53:17.778 --> 00:53:18.679
A hundred.

00:53:18.768 --> 00:53:18.949
Mm-hmm.

00:53:19.309 --> 00:53:24.739
And they weren't allowed to touch it because they belonged to mother and they were, they had to call their parents, mother and father.

00:53:25.518 --> 00:53:26.298
Just think of the

00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:29.179
all the things they could have had.

00:53:29.518 --> 00:53:39.148
Now despite the horrific abuse that was going on behind closed doors, Louise would post happy pictures of the family in all matching out outfits on her social media accounts.

00:53:39.148 --> 00:53:41.338
So they had all these really great clothes.

00:53:41.668 --> 00:53:51.059
They did have the opportunity to get washed, but only when there was a photo opportunity where she would just disguise them as this happy family.

00:53:51.659 --> 00:54:13.438
Now Dave and Louise were also obsessed with Disneyland, and surprisingly, they would occasionally take the children now, Louise would dress them all out of their filthy clothes and dress'em all up in matching outfits, like something literally from the Brady Bunch, and then spend a wonderful few days in Disney World before then returning back home.

00:54:13.619 --> 00:54:14.668
I've got a picture for you.

00:54:14.952 --> 00:54:15.702
Have a look at this.

00:54:15.751 --> 00:54:17.791
I want to zone in on this picture here.

00:54:18.032 --> 00:54:20.041
Just describe this picture for me.

00:54:21.481 --> 00:54:24.692
First of all, what does it say on the shirts?

00:54:25.532 --> 00:54:31.442
Okay, so there is a photo of, I'm guessing the whole family, the faces of the kids are blurred.

00:54:31.532 --> 00:54:31.891
Mm-hmm.

00:54:32.641 --> 00:54:37.652
Um, they're all, including the mom and dad are wearing blue trousers and a red top.

00:54:37.742 --> 00:54:37.862
Mm-hmm.

00:54:39.001 --> 00:54:39.331
On that

00:54:39.331 --> 00:54:40.831
red top mm-hmm.

00:54:41.311 --> 00:54:46.501
Is a white circle with a text in the middle, which says thing and then a number.

00:54:46.681 --> 00:54:46.771
Mm-hmm.

00:54:47.402 --> 00:54:49.141
All their children are not given names.

00:54:49.141 --> 00:54:49.592
They're given

00:54:49.592 --> 00:54:50.282
numbers.

00:54:50.641 --> 00:54:57.391
And I guess that's probably cute in to some degree, but the irony behind this is not lost, is it?

00:54:57.452 --> 00:55:05.072
No, it's just disgusting considering that every single one of their children has been coined thing with a number.

00:55:05.132 --> 00:55:09.692
So thing 12, thing three thing five thing one.

00:55:10.681 --> 00:55:11.012
Yeah.

00:55:11.012 --> 00:55:11.521
And I guess

00:55:11.521 --> 00:55:13.831
to any other family thinking, oh, that's really funny.

00:55:13.836 --> 00:55:14.791
Look at that family.

00:55:14.797 --> 00:55:14.891
Mm-hmm.

00:55:14.972 --> 00:55:15.492
They're so cute.

00:55:15.521 --> 00:55:17.811
They got matching t-shirts with Disneyland.

00:55:17.811 --> 00:55:18.132
Mm-hmm.

00:55:18.391 --> 00:55:20.041
But actually, no, they're treated like

00:55:20.041 --> 00:55:20.552
garbage.

00:55:20.581 --> 00:55:21.152
Disgusting.

00:55:22.152 --> 00:55:39.762
Can you just imagine what a complete mind screw it must be to like be in that position where you are at Disneyland, you're having a wonderful time, and then having to go home and get undressed back into your redress, into your filthy urine stain clothes.

00:55:40.641 --> 00:55:41.362
I wonder if that

00:55:41.411 --> 00:55:45.251
must have made them feel like, oh, it's okay cuz mom and dad do care.

00:55:45.251 --> 00:55:51.291
Look, they took us to Disneyland possibly, and it I don't know, created this weird acceptance

00:55:51.351 --> 00:55:52.012
for some of them.

00:55:52.067 --> 00:55:52.277
Mm-hmm.

00:55:52.306 --> 00:55:59.206
And the thing is though, children and human beings are so malleable as well, that they would come to realize that was just the norm for them.

00:55:59.693 --> 00:56:06.503
It was during this time that Louisa's family began to grow suspicious about what exactly was going on within the Turpen home.

00:56:06.673 --> 00:56:22.284
For example, Theresa found it strange that none of the older children were permitted to have a cell phone because Theresa wanted to start connecting with her nieces and her nephews, because they were like now growing older, you know, and they could engage with adults on that level.

00:56:22.373 --> 00:56:22.463
Mm-hmm.

00:56:22.708 --> 00:56:26.523
But, yeah, like none of them had a mobile phone.

00:56:26.523 --> 00:56:26.614
Mm-hmm.

00:56:27.273 --> 00:56:34.384
She also found it strange that several of the older children, as you said earlier on, who were no longer minors, were still living at home.

00:56:34.893 --> 00:56:35.284
Yeah.

00:56:35.853 --> 00:56:46.324
According to Teresa, Louise told her that the children were just not interested in talking to the rest of the family, and they were only interested in staying at home and helping her with the younger kids.

00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.018
To a degree I can understand, but if But you have time for other stuff.

00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:52.458
Yeah, exactly right.

00:56:52.458 --> 00:56:53.599
Like you'd expect them.

00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:54.648
What hobbies have they got?

00:56:54.653 --> 00:56:57.648
What friends are they, do they have relationships, whatever.

00:56:57.653 --> 00:56:58.219
That kind of thing.

00:56:58.818 --> 00:57:15.889
So in 2014 the Turpins did allow their oldest son to attend community college where his classmates found the boy's eating habits really disturbing because whenever there was free food that was offered, he would literally eat an obscene amount of food to the point that he would just be sick every time.

00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:20.664
So he's just stuffing his face cuz he's I dunno when I'm gonna eat again.

00:57:21.023 --> 00:57:29.483
Why he's got like, he's just didn't think the relationship these kids probably have with food is probably was very weird and messed up for a long period of time.

00:57:29.664 --> 00:57:30.563
For sure.

00:57:30.666 --> 00:57:32.677
Like this shame of.

00:57:33.336 --> 00:57:36.402
Been made to feel guilty eating cause that's what that's, that's doing, right?

00:57:36.581 --> 00:57:36.641
Yeah.

00:57:37.032 --> 00:57:38.141
They would sneak food.

00:57:38.472 --> 00:57:39.822
Hence why they got all this punishment.

00:57:39.822 --> 00:57:45.311
And you would see some footage where they would have food hidden in their beds like jars of pickles and things like that.

00:57:45.762 --> 00:57:49.271
But it's got to cause this weird relationship with food.

00:57:49.302 --> 00:57:49.422
Yeah.

00:57:49.422 --> 00:57:51.572
And your feelings towards it, which is not gonna be good.

00:57:52.054 --> 00:57:55.775
So around 2015, Louise has her 13th child.

00:57:56.284 --> 00:57:57.125
It's a little girl.

00:57:57.385 --> 00:58:03.894
And as most people know, abusing 13 people can be really hard on a marriage.

00:58:05.244 --> 00:58:16.164
So the turbans decide that they wanna renew their wedding vows and so they take all 13 children to Las Vegas where an Elvis impersonator officiates the renewal of their vows.

00:58:16.764 --> 00:58:21.025
So let's take a little look at that video because it's gonna give us a bit of a weird sense.

00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:23.320
Of what family life was like.

00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:30.130
The dynamic that you will see between the way that the family interact with each other, it's just, there's something quite disturbing about it.

00:58:32.130 --> 00:58:32.420
Yeah.

00:58:33.980 --> 00:58:35.900
We are live in Las Vegas.

00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:37.460
Oh yeah.

00:58:39.460 --> 00:58:47.619
My first movie, love Meat Tender, and he always win.

00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.739
Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together for my daddy.

00:58:53.250 --> 00:58:53.539
Yeah.

00:58:54.610 --> 00:58:56.860
Yeah, David and.

00:58:58.860 --> 00:59:01.619
28 years of happiness, love, and laughter.

00:59:01.619 --> 00:59:02.550
Yeah.

00:59:02.909 --> 00:59:04.619
They look just really normal, don't they?

00:59:04.949 --> 00:59:05.699
To a degree.

00:59:05.889 --> 00:59:08.019
The boys have the same hairstyle as their dad.

00:59:08.260 --> 00:59:08.440
Oh yeah.

00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:09.039
Unfortunately.

00:59:09.429 --> 00:59:10.449
So that's a bit sad.

00:59:10.750 --> 00:59:14.829
and then I was about to say they're all dressed in the same clothes again, but I'm guessing kind of their bridesmaid.

00:59:14.829 --> 00:59:19.000
So it makes sense in this scenario, but it's all very strange.

00:59:19.389 --> 00:59:32.059
So I'm just gonna fast forward to the end where, so he gets the, they do the vows, they get married, and then he gets the kids separately in different groups onto the stage to kind of like have a play around.

00:59:32.139 --> 00:59:35.650
And you'll notice how awkward some of them seem to be when they're dancing.

00:59:44.327 --> 00:59:47.157
Do you notice the weird clicking with the fingers?

00:59:47.306 --> 00:59:48.956
They've got no rhythm because they're probably never

00:59:48.956 --> 00:59:49.797
allowed to dance.

00:59:50.036 --> 00:59:54.146
There's just no connection between the daughters and the mother at all.

00:59:54.356 --> 00:59:54.927
Do you know what I mean?

00:59:54.927 --> 00:59:57.117
They're just standing near her.

00:59:57.206 --> 00:59:57.626
They're not.

00:59:58.016 --> 00:59:59.936
With her on her wedding day.

01:00:00.206 --> 01:00:01.257
Do you get that sense?

01:00:01.306 --> 01:00:02.206
Just very awkward.

01:00:02.597 --> 01:00:03.677
It's totally awkward.

01:00:03.976 --> 01:00:06.976
Obviously there's not really much to go through on this video.

01:00:07.036 --> 01:00:18.762
It's fascinating to watch only because it's so peculiar and it's difficult to put into words because there's not really peculiar, it's not in an obvious way, but there's something, you just think they're unusual and unsettling about it.

01:00:18.822 --> 01:00:23.831
You just think, oh, maybe they're a bit, I don't know, socially awkward or just quite reserved.

01:00:23.952 --> 01:00:32.021
But actually, I guess when you know the story Yeah, like you say, they don't have a real connection and they look well, they look out a place, they don't feel comfortable.

01:00:32.052 --> 01:00:32.141
They

01:00:32.192 --> 01:00:32.672
It's sad.

01:00:33.391 --> 01:00:37.472
So incredibly, while Dave and Louise starve their other children.

01:00:37.561 --> 01:00:41.161
They do, however, favor their youngest, who is two years old now.

01:00:41.621 --> 01:00:45.831
This child is the only one who receives enough to eat.

01:00:46.342 --> 01:01:00.561
It would later be discovered by psychologists that Louise suffered from a psychological disorder, which caused her to favor the infant stage of having a baby, which makes so much sense why she keeps having baby after baby.

01:01:00.817 --> 01:01:01.896
So would she be like this with

01:01:01.896 --> 01:01:04.086
the others that when, whilst they're young mm-hmm.

01:01:04.356 --> 01:01:08.827
You know, look after'em, they get to a certain point in the cage, they go and let's have another baby.

01:01:08.927 --> 01:01:09.496
Correct.

01:01:09.527 --> 01:01:10.277
That is it.

01:01:10.697 --> 01:01:15.617
Louise would largely only post pictures of their youngest daughter.

01:01:15.797 --> 01:01:17.117
Also their Halloween.

01:01:17.117 --> 01:01:25.396
Louise and David took only their two year old daughter out trick or treating, but the rest of the kids were forced to stay at home, which I think is awful.

01:01:25.577 --> 01:01:31.186
Eventually the turbans decide that they don't want their older kids even living in the house.

01:01:31.786 --> 01:01:39.257
So they buy a small rundown trailer and they're placed in the backyard, forcing most of their older children to move into the trailer.

01:01:40.246 --> 01:01:44.117
Also, when they decide to go on holiday, of course they don't want to take the kids.

01:01:44.577 --> 01:01:51.327
so they lock them in this trailer and they arrange for groceries to be dropped off to the trailer each week.

01:01:51.806 --> 01:01:55.047
Now the amount of food is hardly enough to feed the children.

01:01:55.507 --> 01:02:02.586
One of the girls says that she starts eating ice and ketchup just so the other kids could have enough to eat.

01:02:03.067 --> 01:02:03.786
Oh my word.

01:02:03.786 --> 01:02:04.626
That's heartbreaking.

01:02:04.726 --> 01:02:16.726
This is where Jordan Turin comes into the picture now, Jordan is the 17 year old daughter who initially made that nine one one call that you saw at the beginning of this episode.

01:02:16.967 --> 01:02:24.467
So Jordan begins sneaking onto the internet using her brother's old mobile phone, which he was allowed to have.

01:02:24.516 --> 01:02:30.612
It's during this time online where she starts to realize that what they're going through isn't normal.

01:02:31.152 --> 01:02:33.552
So up until this point, she thought this was normal.

01:02:34.001 --> 01:02:34.362
Yes.

01:02:34.452 --> 01:02:34.931
That's.

01:02:35.487 --> 01:02:46.827
A hugely worrying guy in the Diane Soy interview, Jordan and her sister are talking about this, and I have to say it did make me laugh as well as well, up at the exact same time.

01:02:47.697 --> 01:02:52.887
She tells Diane that she doesn't know where she would be if she didn't have Justin Bieber.

01:02:53.907 --> 01:02:57.896
Her favorite songs are If I Was Your Boyfriend and Baby.

01:02:58.467 --> 01:02:58.827
Right?

01:02:58.856 --> 01:03:00.567
Which I just think is really cute.

01:03:00.567 --> 01:03:00.626
Yeah.

01:03:00.686 --> 01:03:06.686
She also says that she starts watching his interviews and she absorbs everything.

01:03:07.137 --> 01:03:12.746
And through this she's able to really improve her vocabulary and she learns how to speak more fluently.

01:03:13.047 --> 01:03:20.547
And you can actually tell when you watch a video of her, she speaks in a really strange cadence okay.

01:03:20.577 --> 01:03:23.157
It's not, it's nothing weird, but it's unusual.

01:03:23.157 --> 01:03:26.757
It's like someone has like a weird twangy accent that you can't quite place.

01:03:26.762 --> 01:03:26.867
Mm-hmm.

01:03:26.947 --> 01:03:31.561
And it's because she learns how to talk all, or on her own, I guess.

01:03:31.561 --> 01:03:31.563
Yeah.

01:03:31.862 --> 01:03:34.532
It's really sweet and endearing to watch.

01:03:34.612 --> 01:03:51.391
She talks about how other shows like Hannah Ner and High School musical, where she sees young people like her and her siblings wearing pretty dresses, going out, making friends, and being able to just talk openly and honestly to their parents who wouldn't just turn around and beat them or break them.

01:03:51.391 --> 01:03:51.481
Mm-hmm.

01:03:52.442 --> 01:04:05.402
She realizes that what they're going through is not normal and it's this small four inch window into the world that starts to inspire her to save her siblings.

01:04:05.492 --> 01:04:05.882
Mm-hmm.

01:04:06.481 --> 01:04:14.132
So, Around this time, David lands a brand new job in Oklahoma, and the family are preparing to move once again.

01:04:14.251 --> 01:04:22.442
Now, Jordan says that because some of her sisters were so malnourished, she feared that some of them wouldn't make this journey.

01:04:22.697 --> 01:04:25.907
So with her younger sister, they start planning to escape.

01:04:26.057 --> 01:04:32.177
They make a map of the street from memory of their older sister who had been allowed out to run errands and things like that.

01:04:32.268 --> 01:04:38.708
And they plan a route for Jordan and her 13 year old sister to escape far enough from the house where they can just call the police.

01:04:39.077 --> 01:04:44.688
It seems simple to us, like why do you need a map to run down the road?

01:04:44.777 --> 01:04:44.958
Yeah.

01:04:44.987 --> 01:04:47.208
But for them, this is a big thing, right?

01:04:47.208 --> 01:04:50.898
Especially when you're scared for your life and you've never been out alone.

01:04:50.898 --> 01:04:50.987
Mm-hmm.

01:04:51.257 --> 01:04:52.518
So they plan everything, right?

01:04:52.518 --> 01:04:57.467
They're thinking real basic things, but they think it's, these are big things, right?

01:04:57.467 --> 01:04:57.737
Yeah.

01:04:58.253 --> 01:05:06.864
They're smart enough to know from a TV show that they've watched previously, that if anyone was going to believe them about the abuse, they're going to need pictures.

01:05:07.164 --> 01:05:13.134
So she takes pictures of some of her siblings who are chained up and also the squalor that they're living in.

01:05:13.387 --> 01:05:16.927
So the night before, they are due to move to Oklahoma.

01:05:16.987 --> 01:05:25.447
Equipped with the pictures on her mobile phone, Jordan and her little sister sneak out of the bedroom window as they're making their escape.

01:05:25.447 --> 01:05:29.016
The 13 year old freaks out and she decides that she's too scared and she turns back.

01:05:29.347 --> 01:05:30.577
Jordan continues on.

01:05:31.686 --> 01:05:36.547
She is caught on C T V, leaving the property and making her way down the sidewalk.

01:05:36.936 --> 01:05:41.077
When she's far enough away from the house, she then dials 9 1 1.

01:05:42.097 --> 01:05:47.347
She tells the operator that she lives in a family of 15 and that her parents abuse them.

01:05:48.067 --> 01:05:53.197
She tells the operator that her two little sisters and her brother are currently chained up to their beds.

01:05:53.947 --> 01:06:01.686
She tells the operator how they live in filth and sometimes she wakes up in the middle of the night and she cannot breathe cuz it's that dirty.

01:06:02.197 --> 01:06:05.527
And the last time that she took a bath was over a year ago.

01:06:06.786 --> 01:06:14.586
So Officer Anthony arrives on the scene and he is super warm towards her, but he's questioning her intent.

01:06:15.186 --> 01:06:15.996
At first.

01:06:16.356 --> 01:06:18.726
He's not sure if she's just like a runaway.

01:06:18.936 --> 01:06:19.027
Mm-hmm.

01:06:19.297 --> 01:06:30.427
And because Jordan is not really coherent, because she speaks with the strange accents and has this weird cadence, he wonders if she's taken any medication, which she has no concept of.

01:06:30.697 --> 01:06:30.847
Mm-hmm.

01:06:31.822 --> 01:06:36.652
He asks if she has any evidence and her face lights up.

01:06:36.652 --> 01:06:37.371
She's like that.

01:06:37.371 --> 01:06:38.842
I have, I have evidence.

01:06:38.902 --> 01:06:43.942
So she, she's congratulating herself because she remembers that she needs to get these pictures Right.

01:06:44.181 --> 01:06:52.791
This bit really gets me though, because Jordan is showing the officer pictures of his sister chained up and the sister is smiling.

01:06:53.331 --> 01:06:53.842
Oh my God.

01:06:53.902 --> 01:06:59.302
Which highlights just how normal being in that position was for them to be chained up.

01:06:59.382 --> 01:07:08.422
They would just, they would spend days chained up and in those moments of being chained up, there would be moments of happiness and smiling and engagement with their sisters, but they're chained up.

01:07:08.842 --> 01:07:13.072
So the picture that she shows them is a picture of them smiling.

01:07:13.072 --> 01:07:14.121
So it looks like being chained up.

01:07:14.121 --> 01:07:15.141
They're playing or something.

01:07:15.322 --> 01:07:18.532
They were playing, but they were very really chained up.

01:07:18.561 --> 01:07:18.862
Okay.

01:07:19.222 --> 01:07:21.322
But yeah, there's a moment where you could go.

01:07:21.411 --> 01:07:25.101
I think she does even say in the video, I know she's smiling, but this is real.

01:07:25.461 --> 01:07:25.762
Yeah.

01:07:25.952 --> 01:07:29.527
So she called nine one one on the mobile phone that she'd gotten from her brother.

01:07:29.532 --> 01:07:32.137
That I'm guessing she's keeping a secret from her family.

01:07:32.141 --> 01:07:33.907
Yes, but she's been watching stuff on it.

01:07:33.911 --> 01:07:34.056
Mm-hmm.

01:07:34.327 --> 01:07:38.257
They have internet access, I guess, but she's not able to call.

01:07:38.257 --> 01:07:40.266
Why would she not call when she's at the house?

01:07:40.367 --> 01:07:41.746
These are really great questions.

01:07:41.746 --> 01:07:42.347
I don't know.

01:07:42.347 --> 01:07:44.117
I think she's just so scared.

01:07:44.686 --> 01:07:49.007
There is a moment where they're going to go to the Turin's house after the police mm-hmm.

01:07:49.306 --> 01:07:52.487
Meet with her, and she, they're like, you're gonna come?

01:07:52.516 --> 01:07:57.527
And she was like, no, they will shoot me dead right there and then, regardless of whether or not you're there.

01:07:57.907 --> 01:07:58.197
Okay.

01:07:58.202 --> 01:07:59.956
So there's this fear.

01:07:59.956 --> 01:08:00.407
Right.

01:08:00.411 --> 01:08:00.717
Right.

01:08:00.722 --> 01:08:01.067
Okay.

01:08:01.516 --> 01:08:04.516
So yeah, here is the, here's the video.

01:08:04.516 --> 01:08:11.407
So, Jordan, you are looking at the body camera footage from the deputy as he arrives and what's going on.

01:08:12.338 --> 01:08:12.668
Okay.

01:08:12.938 --> 01:08:14.407
I just ran away from home.

01:08:14.438 --> 01:08:14.827
Okay.

01:08:15.547 --> 01:08:17.887
And I live in a family of 15.

01:08:17.978 --> 01:08:18.368
Okay.

01:08:18.518 --> 01:08:20.738
My two little sisters right now are chained up.

01:08:20.858 --> 01:08:21.547
They're chained up?

01:08:21.908 --> 01:08:22.328
Yes.

01:08:22.358 --> 01:08:23.257
Where are they chained up at?

01:08:23.768 --> 01:08:25.238
On the bed now.

01:08:25.243 --> 01:08:26.467
Mother didn't chain them up.

01:08:27.097 --> 01:08:28.747
Just two be me.

01:08:29.858 --> 01:08:30.148
Okay.

01:08:31.658 --> 01:08:31.948
Okay.

01:08:32.198 --> 01:08:35.108
They're chained up because they stole mother's food, Uhhuh.

01:08:35.948 --> 01:08:37.478
But I'm sorry if I talk too much.

01:08:37.807 --> 01:08:38.047
Okay.

01:08:38.255 --> 01:08:44.295
I've never talked to anybody out there, so I don't, I've never been alone with the person, so this is very hard for me to talk.

01:08:45.345 --> 01:08:45.645
Okay.

01:08:45.824 --> 01:08:47.805
How did you, do your parents know you left your house?

01:08:47.984 --> 01:08:48.225
No.

01:08:48.225 --> 01:08:51.345
They, don do you take any medication?

01:08:51.645 --> 01:08:52.515
What's medication?

01:08:52.994 --> 01:08:53.625
Medication?

01:08:54.015 --> 01:08:55.215
Yeah, what's medication?

01:08:55.274 --> 01:08:56.145
Do you take pills?

01:08:57.345 --> 01:08:58.185
Do you take pills?

01:08:58.515 --> 01:09:00.604
Oh, I don't think I've ever took any pill before.

01:09:00.994 --> 01:09:01.284
Okay.

01:09:02.135 --> 01:09:02.484
Right.

01:09:02.489 --> 01:09:02.984
I haven't.

01:09:03.375 --> 01:09:14.444
but the girl with the strange vocabulary nervously, puts on a little hat a reminder of one of her sisters who's depending on her, our parents are abusing, they abuse us.

01:09:14.774 --> 01:09:20.085
But the reason I called and the reason I managed to get out here, this is one of the most scariest things I've ever done.

01:09:20.114 --> 01:09:26.324
Uhhuh, I'm terrified, but I called because my two little sisters, they're chained up right now.

01:09:26.744 --> 01:09:27.585
Do you have pictures of that?

01:09:27.645 --> 01:09:27.944
Yes.

01:09:27.944 --> 01:09:28.484
I can show you.

01:09:29.484 --> 01:09:30.750
I actually didn't have it.

01:09:30.750 --> 01:09:34.380
And then one of my sisters told me I need to get, Pictures.

01:09:34.613 --> 01:09:34.762
Okay.

01:09:35.403 --> 01:09:38.842
I, I don't have proof of everything, but I have proof that my sisters are chained up.

01:09:39.353 --> 01:09:42.773
So, see, she doesn't seem to know the word bruised.

01:09:42.802 --> 01:09:42.832
Okay.

01:09:42.832 --> 01:09:43.313
You can look at that.

01:09:43.613 --> 01:09:47.483
See, those are the places that make a known that and see how dirty she is.

01:09:47.483 --> 01:09:48.653
We are so filthy.

01:09:49.023 --> 01:09:51.033
we, we don't take baths.

01:09:51.092 --> 01:09:53.103
We don't How did your sisters get Like this?

01:09:53.432 --> 01:09:53.552
Okay.

01:09:54.393 --> 01:09:55.292
Your parents chained them up?

01:09:55.472 --> 01:09:57.512
Yes, because they sold food.

01:09:58.323 --> 01:09:58.653
Okay.

01:09:58.832 --> 01:10:00.002
But they stole it cuz they were hungry.

01:10:00.462 --> 01:10:01.412
Who took this picture?

01:10:01.502 --> 01:10:03.332
I did, I took those pictures.

01:10:03.573 --> 01:10:03.903
Okay.

01:10:04.743 --> 01:10:06.033
You make sure to save these, okay.

01:10:06.153 --> 01:10:06.573
Okay.

01:10:06.578 --> 01:10:06.712
I will.

01:10:06.717 --> 01:10:07.592
Don't get rid of those.

01:10:07.592 --> 01:10:11.512
I will, I won't bless.

01:10:12.592 --> 01:10:13.613
Isn't She's so sweet.

01:10:14.483 --> 01:10:16.132
She's so brave in this moment.

01:10:16.222 --> 01:10:17.363
She's so scared.

01:10:17.573 --> 01:10:18.863
You're just trying to get.

01:10:19.328 --> 01:10:20.557
Out really well.

01:10:20.557 --> 01:10:20.978
Clearly.

01:10:20.978 --> 01:10:23.047
And this is the first time that she's spoken to

01:10:23.047 --> 01:10:23.618
someone like this?

01:10:23.618 --> 01:10:23.828
Yeah.

01:10:24.097 --> 01:10:24.518
Oh my God.

01:10:24.518 --> 01:10:25.537
It's just incredible.

01:10:25.537 --> 01:10:26.648
It's so uplifting.

01:10:27.398 --> 01:10:28.177
Good for her.

01:10:28.807 --> 01:10:31.568
So the officers make their way to the turpins home.

01:10:31.768 --> 01:10:32.488
It's six in the morning.

01:10:32.493 --> 01:10:37.228
The sun's coming up, they knock on the door, it takes them three minutes for the terpenes to answer the door.

01:10:38.007 --> 01:10:41.877
They're scurrying around to try and unlock the kids from their chains.

01:10:41.967 --> 01:10:42.057
Mm-hmm.

01:10:42.658 --> 01:10:49.648
When Dave and Louise answered the police explain that they're there to conduct a welfare check saying that someone has made a report.

01:10:49.978 --> 01:10:52.677
Dave and Louise are both perplexed by this.

01:10:52.707 --> 01:10:54.537
They're like, who?

01:10:54.658 --> 01:10:57.568
Someone inside this house?

01:10:58.347 --> 01:11:00.177
And you're like, the officer doesn't say anything.

01:11:00.823 --> 01:11:02.773
David is like, do you have a warrant?

01:11:02.832 --> 01:11:07.752
And because it's a welfare check, thank God officers don't actually need one.

01:11:07.993 --> 01:11:08.082
Mm-hmm.

01:11:08.323 --> 01:11:10.483
So David and Louise have to allow the police in.

01:11:10.842 --> 01:11:14.502
Officers are shocked by what they find, right?

01:11:14.507 --> 01:11:16.092
They do say like, we're moving today.

01:11:16.092 --> 01:11:16.872
It's a bit of a mess.

01:11:16.872 --> 01:11:18.103
They're like, it's fine.

01:11:18.103 --> 01:11:19.153
We can handle mess.

01:11:19.273 --> 01:11:21.823
But they come in, the home is filthy.

01:11:22.483 --> 01:11:24.643
There is rotten garbage everywhere.

01:11:24.893 --> 01:11:29.693
The officers start making their way through the house so they can account for all of the children.

01:11:29.926 --> 01:11:33.587
The sisters that were chained up in their room, they've been unchained.

01:11:34.186 --> 01:11:34.277
Mm-hmm.

01:11:34.516 --> 01:11:35.417
They're sitting in their beds.

01:11:35.447 --> 01:11:40.247
The officer asks to see their arms and they're covered in bruises, and the officer is like, we're here to help you.

01:11:40.497 --> 01:11:42.716
In their haste to answer the door.

01:11:42.716 --> 01:11:46.077
The turpins don't have enough time to unchain the sun.

01:11:46.436 --> 01:11:47.277
That was shackled.

01:11:47.277 --> 01:11:51.207
In the way of the door is like a mattress or something, which conceding the door.

01:11:51.207 --> 01:11:53.037
I dunno if they put that there at the last minute.

01:11:53.216 --> 01:11:53.577
Okay.

01:11:53.877 --> 01:12:02.877
But they discover this other room in the front of the house when the officers enter in, they find two boys in there, plus another boy who's chained up to his bed.

01:12:03.716 --> 01:12:04.856
And Adam is heartbreaking.

01:12:04.936 --> 01:12:15.596
But this silence in that room do you know, like when you walk in and your niece is asleep or something and you walk into the dark room and it's like you're trying to like, be quiet and stuff?

01:12:15.747 --> 01:12:15.777
Mm.

01:12:16.016 --> 01:12:20.846
It's daytime like, but he's being really gentle and he's like, Hey, hey there.

01:12:20.846 --> 01:12:21.417
Don't worry.

01:12:21.417 --> 01:12:22.346
I'm here to help you.

01:12:22.646 --> 01:12:22.856
Yeah.

01:12:22.947 --> 01:12:23.846
He's speaking all softly.

01:12:23.851 --> 01:12:24.596
It's really sad.

01:12:24.686 --> 01:12:26.667
And you never hear a peep from the little boy.

01:12:26.697 --> 01:12:27.176
Nothing.

01:12:27.435 --> 01:12:44.402
It's really sad while the kids are being checked on David and Louise at that moment, the order is given to arrest them straight away to your right and they are just led out of the house while all these kids are running around and yeah, it's just really weird.

01:12:44.971 --> 01:12:48.162
While they're being led outside, another officer runs over.

01:12:48.221 --> 01:13:02.442
This is the guy that's dealing with the small kid who's still chained up and asks Louise if she has the key to unchain her son, and the bitch replies in a really cavalier tone.

01:13:02.862 --> 01:13:06.101
She says, oh, is this what this is about?

01:13:06.881 --> 01:13:07.931
Oh my God.

01:13:08.082 --> 01:13:08.652
I know.

01:13:08.832 --> 01:13:10.061
what a horrible wound.

01:13:10.061 --> 01:13:13.421
I guess she's had some horrible things happen to her.

01:13:14.021 --> 01:13:18.072
She says that her daughters and her son can help finding the key.

01:13:18.462 --> 01:13:24.011
Anyway, though, they locate the key in the turin's bedroom, which is piled filled with crap.

01:13:24.792 --> 01:13:31.662
They unchained this little boy from his bed, and like I said, the silence is just haunting.

01:13:31.841 --> 01:13:32.832
Would you like to see the video?

01:13:32.921 --> 01:13:33.162
Yeah.

01:13:33.162 --> 01:13:33.582
Play it.

01:13:34.024 --> 01:13:39.545
This is body camera footage of the police officers knocking on and off for two minutes and 10 seconds.

01:13:40.265 --> 01:13:41.284
They're obviously not open.

01:13:41.885 --> 01:13:43.295
Suddenly the door cracks open.

01:13:44.350 --> 01:13:44.569
Hi.

01:13:45.069 --> 01:13:45.289
Hi.

01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:45.859
Hi.

01:13:45.859 --> 01:13:46.340
Sorry to bug you.

01:13:46.829 --> 01:13:47.609
How you guys doing?

01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:48.170
Good.

01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:55.399
We got a call, for a check The welfare here at your house, so what's up for what, a check the welfare.

01:13:55.404 --> 01:13:58.550
So just basically checking everybody, make sure everybody's okay.

01:13:58.880 --> 01:13:58.970
Yeah.

01:13:59.829 --> 01:14:00.930
You guys have kids in the house?

01:14:01.189 --> 01:14:01.670
Yes.

01:14:01.670 --> 01:14:05.000
We now know they had been scrambling to have someone unlock the chains.

01:14:05.810 --> 01:14:06.140
Okay.

01:14:06.140 --> 01:14:09.439
Do you mind if we come in and just take a look, make sure everybody's safe and everything's okay?

01:14:09.949 --> 01:14:10.430
Okay.

01:14:10.489 --> 01:14:11.960
What kind of call did you get?

01:14:12.050 --> 01:14:17.239
Well, we got a call that there was a young female walking around saying that she came from a house over here.

01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:19.939
We were able to find out that this was a house and we just wanted to

01:14:19.939 --> 01:14:21.050
check and make sure everybody was okay.

01:14:21.470 --> 01:14:22.760
They, she came from here.

01:14:22.909 --> 01:14:23.569
That's what she said.

01:14:23.569 --> 01:14:24.710
From inside this house?

01:14:24.710 --> 01:14:25.520
I think so.

01:14:25.645 --> 01:14:27.744
Otherwise we wouldn't be knocking on your door at Sunday.

01:14:27.744 --> 01:14:28.104
Did she say your name?

01:14:29.354 --> 01:14:29.675
I don't dunno.

01:14:29.675 --> 01:14:30.234
Did she say her name?

01:14:30.414 --> 01:14:31.824
I don't know offhand, but we need to check.

01:14:31.824 --> 01:14:35.274
We just need to check and make sure everybody's okay once we get in to make sure everybody's okay.

01:14:35.274 --> 01:14:35.989
we'll get outta your head.

01:14:35.994 --> 01:14:37.399
We have a lot where we're packing.

01:14:37.430 --> 01:14:37.720
Okay.

01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:38.600
That's getting ready to move.

01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:39.119
That's fine.

01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:39.359
No worries.

01:14:39.420 --> 01:14:41.760
So it's a mess in here, so, alright, that's fine.

01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:43.039
We don't mind messes.

01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:43.609
We've been in force.

01:14:43.609 --> 01:14:43.699
Good.

01:14:43.699 --> 01:14:43.789
Mean.

01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:45.380
How you doing sir?

01:14:45.829 --> 01:14:46.399
I'm doing with that.

01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:46.680
Okay.

01:14:46.685 --> 01:14:48.590
No weapons in the house or anything like that?

01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:52.760
I do have, I do have a gun that's, it's locked up.

01:14:52.819 --> 01:14:53.180
Okay.

01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:54.020
Locked up is good.

01:14:54.024 --> 01:14:54.619
We like that.

01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:55.210
Okay.

01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:56.000
Okay.

01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:57.194
We just wanna make sure everybody's okay.

01:14:57.645 --> 01:15:00.664
Do you have a search warrant or anything or No?

01:15:00.664 --> 01:15:01.545
You don't need one, sir.

01:15:02.685 --> 01:15:04.364
That's him asking do you have a warrant?

01:15:04.364 --> 01:15:05.145
And he's we don't need one.

01:15:05.145 --> 01:15:07.154
So they've just walked into the damn house.

01:15:07.185 --> 01:15:08.895
You can just see on their faces.

01:15:08.895 --> 01:15:11.265
Yes, they are actually like it is coming.

01:15:11.324 --> 01:15:12.314
It's crashing down.

01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:12.335
it's

01:15:12.340 --> 01:15:12.755
over.

01:15:12.914 --> 01:15:15.255
Look, you can see how messy the house is.

01:15:15.524 --> 01:15:16.484
I mean, it looks messy.

01:15:16.489 --> 01:15:19.244
It doesn't like organized mess if you're leaving sort of thing.

01:15:19.244 --> 01:15:19.694
Mm-hmm.

01:15:20.204 --> 01:15:21.045
You guys are busy.

01:15:21.555 --> 01:15:21.975
Yeah.

01:15:22.484 --> 01:15:25.125
As the parents are talking, deputies head into the center of the house.

01:15:25.125 --> 01:15:29.074
Yeah, he's probably, there's a hallway.

01:15:29.255 --> 01:15:29.704
They passed.

01:15:29.704 --> 01:15:31.024
The parents' bedroom.

01:15:31.055 --> 01:15:33.185
Then down the hall, two other bedrooms.

01:15:34.024 --> 01:15:37.744
The deputy looks in the first door and discovers a crushing scene.

01:15:37.988 --> 01:15:42.368
Those two young girls from their sister's photos, one is on a bed.

01:15:42.757 --> 01:15:44.467
The other, a mattress on the floor.

01:15:44.858 --> 01:15:48.278
They are limp, frail, eerily quiet, caked, and dirt.

01:15:49.238 --> 01:15:53.047
Their arms are bruised, but where are the chains?

01:15:53.528 --> 01:15:54.158
Hi sweetheart.

01:15:55.177 --> 01:15:55.778
Hi girls.

01:15:55.975 --> 01:15:56.814
Can I see your wrist?

01:15:58.135 --> 01:15:58.435
Yeah.

01:15:58.625 --> 01:15:59.015
Okay.

01:16:00.335 --> 01:16:00.515
Hi.

01:16:00.545 --> 01:16:02.101
How old are you next?

01:16:02.101 --> 01:16:04.322
The deputy heads to the bedroom next door.

01:16:04.652 --> 01:16:07.862
Two filthy bunk beds, but no child is chained.

01:16:08.492 --> 01:16:09.841
He pleads with the children.

01:16:09.841 --> 01:16:12.061
Can they tell him where are those chains?

01:16:13.381 --> 01:16:13.742
Okay.

01:16:14.221 --> 01:16:14.582
Thank you.

01:16:15.212 --> 01:16:16.082
We're here to help you.

01:16:16.921 --> 01:16:17.282
Okay?

01:16:18.032 --> 01:16:19.021
Just work with my guys.

01:16:19.351 --> 01:16:19.893
We will help you guys.

01:16:20.221 --> 01:16:22.351
Okay, back at the front doorway.

01:16:22.351 --> 01:16:31.822
The deputy who has been talking to the parents notices something almost obscured by the six foot, one inch David Turpen and the pile of boxes to his right.

01:16:32.032 --> 01:16:32.992
Another bedroom back here.

01:16:33.952 --> 01:16:36.442
You got another couple kiddos of sleep there.

01:16:36.622 --> 01:16:41.332
Yeah, Sarge, you got another room in the front right here with two kiddos in the bed.

01:16:41.962 --> 01:16:51.572
Over here, deputies move the parents to the living room and when the officers walk inside the bedroom behind those boxes, they see three remaining children.

01:16:52.667 --> 01:16:59.726
Including a boy shackled to his bed, thick chains on his wrist, another set of thick chains on his ankle.

01:17:00.627 --> 01:17:02.216
He has been this way for weeks.

01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:13.619
A deputy gently asks his name and starts looking for the keys to unlock him back in the bedroom down the hall where the two girls from Jordan's photos sit quietly.

01:17:14.609 --> 01:17:20.550
The deputy is directed to go to the closet, and there on the floor he finds the chains.

01:17:21.029 --> 01:17:23.250
Okay, I found the missing link.

01:17:25.250 --> 01:17:27.119
All right, let's just, go ahead and detain the, yeah.

01:17:27.270 --> 01:17:27.750
Parents.

01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:30.829
Ma'am, why don't you step over here for a minute, okay?

01:17:31.229 --> 01:17:31.529
Okay.

01:17:31.619 --> 01:17:33.779
With you and sir, step over here for a second.

01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:37.529
After decades of hiding their cruelty, Check you out.

01:17:39.529 --> 01:17:41.600
David and Louise Turpin are in handcuffs.

01:17:41.930 --> 01:17:43.130
Go ahead and come on out this way.

01:17:43.310 --> 01:17:44.210
You wanna just walk into my car?

01:17:44.300 --> 01:17:44.510
Yep.

01:17:44.810 --> 01:17:46.369
And walked out of the house.

01:17:46.489 --> 01:17:47.659
Put her in a different car please.

01:17:48.380 --> 01:17:58.489
And as the parents head toward police cars inside a problem, deputies can't find the key to unlock the boy still chain to his bed.

01:17:59.300 --> 01:18:01.670
Now let me ask you Yes.

01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.819
Quickly, are there keys to the little locks that Yes.

01:18:05.029 --> 01:18:05.300
Okay.

01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:05.960
Where are they?

01:18:06.380 --> 01:18:07.729
my son and daughter can get'em.

01:18:08.090 --> 01:18:08.539
Okay.

01:18:08.539 --> 01:18:09.029
That's in the house.

01:18:09.090 --> 01:18:10.880
So the ones that are in the house, they know where they are?

01:18:11.329 --> 01:18:11.569
Yes.

01:18:11.630 --> 01:18:11.930
Okay.

01:18:12.050 --> 01:18:13.220
Is that what this is about?

01:18:13.670 --> 01:18:15.350
Well, that's part of it, yeah, definitely.

01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:18.250
How awful is that?

01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:19.569
I can't believe it.

01:18:19.689 --> 01:18:20.439
I can't believe this is

01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:20.920
real.

01:18:21.310 --> 01:18:22.090
It's crazy.

01:18:22.300 --> 01:18:24.699
And for her to say, is that

01:18:24.699 --> 01:18:25.720
what this is about?

01:18:25.810 --> 01:18:27.069
What else is it about?

01:18:27.069 --> 01:18:28.810
It's not about your bloody messy house,

01:18:29.810 --> 01:18:32.965
So all the children were in an awful state.

01:18:33.354 --> 01:18:35.095
They were all malnutrition.

01:18:35.574 --> 01:18:40.314
The older children had been so severely starved that their growth had been stunted.

01:18:40.507 --> 01:18:47.228
The turin's eldest daughter, who was 29 years old at this time, only weighed 38 kilograms.

01:18:47.528 --> 01:18:54.337
Their 12 year old daughter was so emaciated that the circumference of her wrists were the equivalent of a four month old baby.

01:18:54.518 --> 01:18:57.997
Oh, that is that disgusting.

01:18:58.387 --> 01:18:59.768
That's appalling.

01:19:00.188 --> 01:19:11.228
Investigator is found hundreds of journals, which the children had written over the years, chronicling the abuse, and I think David and Louise knew.

01:19:11.662 --> 01:19:30.502
They were writing, but I don't think they realized that they were documenting the abuse social workers that worked on the case talked about how immensely grateful that they were to Jordan and her courage in making that nine one one call cuz otherwise there's a serious chance that several of the kids wouldn't have made it and they would've died.

01:19:31.283 --> 01:19:43.823
Louise and David are charged with 12 counts of torture, 12 counts of false imprisonment, seven counts of abuse of a dependent adult and six counts of child abuse.

01:19:44.932 --> 01:19:48.443
David is also charged with a lewd act on a child under 14.

01:19:48.953 --> 01:20:01.523
And perjury as he filed an affidavit with the Californian Department of Education stating that his children were being educated within a private school when in fact they were not being educated at all.

01:20:02.603 --> 01:20:05.153
A elude act with a 14 year old is that one

01:20:05.153 --> 01:20:11.122
of his children, one of his children, said that he had done something sexual towards them, this is their mugshots.

01:20:13.122 --> 01:20:13.632
Horrible.

01:20:13.872 --> 01:20:14.622
Don't to say.

01:20:15.755 --> 01:20:15.965
Yeah.

01:20:15.970 --> 01:20:17.135
I feel like deflated.

01:20:17.135 --> 01:20:17.795
Mm-hmm.

01:20:18.164 --> 01:20:23.715
When Louise and David first appear in court, they both plead not guilty to their charges.

01:20:23.744 --> 01:20:33.435
Louise is seen by a psychologist who diagnoses her with Hyster personality disorder, which is excessive attention seeking behaviors.

01:20:34.125 --> 01:20:37.814
Her lawyers are gonna try and use this to help her escape jail time.

01:20:38.534 --> 01:20:42.345
The fact that a lawyer is willing to defend her is just sickening.

01:20:42.765 --> 01:20:52.515
But shortly after, they both changed their pleas to guilty, and because of this, there's not gonna be a trial, which means that the children luckily will not need to testify.

01:20:52.875 --> 01:20:52.965
Mm-hmm.

01:20:54.015 --> 01:21:00.194
The judge senses both David and Luis to life imprisonment with the possibility of parole after 25 years.

01:21:00.914 --> 01:21:04.845
They're currently in their fifties, so let's just hope they both die before that even happens.

01:21:04.935 --> 01:21:05.024
Mm-hmm.

01:21:06.225 --> 01:21:10.215
I would normally say at this point that is the story.

01:21:10.649 --> 01:21:12.390
Of the Turpon family abuse case.

01:21:13.739 --> 01:21:17.550
But sadly, this is not where the story ends for the Turpon children.

01:21:18.569 --> 01:21:23.579
The kids spend two months in hospital recovering from malnutrition and other ailments.

01:21:23.970 --> 01:21:29.399
Once they are released from hospital, the six minor children are placed in foster homes.

01:21:29.819 --> 01:21:38.220
But in October, 2019, one of those foster homes who adopted the five children turned out to be abusers just like their parents.

01:21:38.250 --> 01:21:38.460
No.

01:21:39.569 --> 01:21:45.810
And the children later stated that the couple would pull their hair, hit them with shoes, and also beat them using a belt.

01:21:46.500 --> 01:21:52.890
And the foster family also commented that they understood why their parents locked them in cages.

01:21:53.069 --> 01:21:58.800
The kids would also be forced to eat to the point that they would throw up, and then they would be forced to eat their own vomit.

01:21:59.385 --> 01:22:00.164
How did that

01:22:00.164 --> 01:22:01.274
even happen?

01:22:01.875 --> 01:22:02.354
Exactly.

01:22:02.354 --> 01:22:03.404
That's the question here.

01:22:03.614 --> 01:22:14.354
The foster father also ended up molesting the young children in his care, so these poor kids are going through all over again the abuse.

01:22:14.984 --> 01:22:16.604
Oh, those heartbreaking.

01:22:16.725 --> 01:22:24.704
The foster parents unfortunately, they have pled not guilty, so there will be a trial and unfortunately the kids will be required to testify.

01:22:26.295 --> 01:22:32.085
It's just so heartbreaking that again, these kids been failed by social services once again, cuz it wasn't picked up before.

01:22:32.085 --> 01:22:36.524
Now it has been picked up and they've just been kind of let down again.

01:22:36.824 --> 01:22:42.645
Also, over$600,000 was donated to the kids once the story became national news.

01:22:42.704 --> 01:22:47.744
And at the time this money was supposed to be placed into a trust but they've never seen a penny of that money.

01:22:48.104 --> 01:22:54.524
One of the boys wants to buy a bicycle using some of the money, but the system was like low F you.

01:22:54.747 --> 01:22:56.664
I quite I don't understand why

01:22:56.664 --> 01:22:57.145
can't,

01:22:57.564 --> 01:23:06.725
Apparently some woman has been like funneling the money into her real estate business, who is entrusted with caring for some of the elder kind of kids.

01:23:06.729 --> 01:23:14.675
Try and kind of get them rehabilitated into society and they'll call her up saying, um, can you help me learn how to get a bus from A to B?

01:23:14.675 --> 01:23:15.965
And then she's like, just Google it.

01:23:16.157 --> 01:23:17.417
So no care whatsoever.

01:23:17.777 --> 01:23:21.337
You had a thought one of these companies would've wrapped their arms around them.

01:23:21.457 --> 01:23:21.577
Mm-hmm.

01:23:21.817 --> 01:23:25.447
Made sure that they were okay given the years of torment and abuse.

01:23:25.452 --> 01:23:25.497
Yep.

01:23:25.596 --> 01:23:25.777
Yep.

01:23:25.777 --> 01:23:26.827
What about the adults?

01:23:26.856 --> 01:23:37.037
Cuz imagine that's must have been straight, the adult children because to lose your, not lose, but your foster or your brothers and sisters going into a foster home.

01:23:37.157 --> 01:23:37.247
Mm-hmm.

01:23:37.546 --> 01:23:39.917
What kind of connection would they have had?

01:23:39.917 --> 01:23:44.957
What kind of, you know, they're not ready for the world, I would've thought in terms of working and making money.

01:23:45.256 --> 01:23:45.827
And they weren't.

01:23:45.827 --> 01:23:48.856
That's why they relied on these people to help them.

01:23:48.856 --> 01:23:50.386
And that's what this money was for.

01:23:50.386 --> 01:23:50.657
Right?

01:23:50.657 --> 01:23:50.837
Yeah.

01:23:51.136 --> 01:23:52.037
It gets worse.

01:23:52.096 --> 01:23:58.936
Jordan Turpen only spends one year in foster care since she's 17 years old at the time now.

01:23:59.141 --> 01:24:04.122
She says the day that she turns 18, they release her for foster care without any warning.

01:24:04.752 --> 01:24:14.952
She has no life skills, no means to feed herself or receive any healthcare, and essentially she became homeless on her 18th birthday because of these allegations.

01:24:14.952 --> 01:24:25.242
In 2020, the Riverside County hired a private law firm to investigate this, and the report found that there were so many instances where the kids didn't receive the care that they needed.

01:24:25.752 --> 01:24:38.351
The report also found that social workers were only supposed to be assigned around 50 cases at a time, but it was not uncommon for them to be dealing with over 150 cases at a time.

01:24:38.351 --> 01:24:40.542
So basically they were just overburdened.

01:24:41.471 --> 01:24:41.862
Yeah.

01:24:41.862 --> 01:24:42.431
It doesn't make it

01:24:42.431 --> 01:24:43.662
right, but okay.

01:24:44.582 --> 01:24:53.971
So in July, 2022, the Turpon siblings file a lawsuit against the foster care agency who placed them with their abusive foster family.

01:24:54.212 --> 01:24:54.301
Good.

01:24:54.301 --> 01:24:56.101
And all I can say is I hope they win.

01:24:56.431 --> 01:25:02.671
So do I, I hope they get millions or something, because this is, they need something, they need a break.

01:25:02.792 --> 01:25:04.502
I just want that boy to get his bike.

01:25:05.112 --> 01:25:05.832
It's crazy.

01:25:06.242 --> 01:25:08.912
And that Adam is the story of the Turpen family.

01:25:09.662 --> 01:25:09.931
Oh,

01:25:10.171 --> 01:25:22.351
I can't believe how, um, one, it doesn't feel considering the extreme situation and story of events.

01:25:23.011 --> 01:25:25.292
This isn't more widespread knowledge.

01:25:25.391 --> 01:25:26.292
Well, thanks Lois.

01:25:26.381 --> 01:25:27.641
Good suggestion.

01:25:27.761 --> 01:25:28.152
Yeah.

01:25:28.242 --> 01:25:30.032
So, ready for the outro?

01:25:30.391 --> 01:25:30.841
Sure.

01:25:31.042 --> 01:25:37.042
So thanks for joining us for another episode of the Compendium and Assembly of fascinating and intriguing things.

01:25:37.582 --> 01:25:42.442
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01:25:42.981 --> 01:25:47.811
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01:25:47.962 --> 01:25:51.112
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01:25:51.756 --> 01:25:58.056
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01:25:58.627 --> 01:25:59.136
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